Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 5, 2016 11:42pm
I have no clue if he was innocent or guilty. The documentary spins it one way. But even so, there was PLENTY in there for me, if I was a juror, to say no way can I say for he was guilty. Not even close. Would've had to say not guilty if I was a juror...again, based on 10 episodes and reading some articles only.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 5, 2016 11:44pm
Hell, the "interrogation" of the nephew was the most sickening thing I've ever watched. Not even Glory Days could defend that shit. The kid is legally retarded. He had no clue what was even going on.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jan 6, 2016 12:10am
Agreed. And apparently, a juror feels the same way. To be honest, if you're on that jury...and you really believe that that the police framed this man for murder, wouldn't you be scared to cross them, too? I sure as shit would be.Laley23;1773583 wrote:I have no clue if he was innocent or guilty. The documentary spins it one way. But even so, there was PLENTY in there for me, if I was a juror, to say no way can I say for he was guilty. Not even close. Would've had to say not guilty if I was a juror...again, based on 10 episodes and reading some articles only.
http://www.today.com/popculture/making-murderer-filmmakers-our-goal-was-question-us-justice-system-t65161
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 6, 2016 8:28am
It's simple for me. The jury felt threatened by someone and they said guilty.
When they did a first vote right after the case, it was 7 not guilty, 3 guilty. Those 3 were so stubborn they wouldn't even listen to the others. Then someone like Lenk or Colburn got to the other two and the seven who said not guilty.
There really is no way they were left alone to decide a verdict.
I also don't know for sure if Avery is 100% innocent. But I'm not 100% sure he's guilty so he shouldn't be in jail.
When they did a first vote right after the case, it was 7 not guilty, 3 guilty. Those 3 were so stubborn they wouldn't even listen to the others. Then someone like Lenk or Colburn got to the other two and the seven who said not guilty.
There really is no way they were left alone to decide a verdict.
I also don't know for sure if Avery is 100% innocent. But I'm not 100% sure he's guilty so he shouldn't be in jail.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2016 9:02am
Rocky 2
8.5
8.5
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Jan 6, 2016 10:54am
I agree with Laley on if I was on the jury. But I've been thinking this, too:
And I agree with what S&L said, in addition.sherm03;1773585 wrote:...if you're on that jury...and you really believe that that the police framed this man for murder, wouldn't you be scared to cross them, too?
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jan 8, 2016 9:39am
Do we still care about Making a Murderer spoilers?
I believe Steven Avery murdered Teresa Halbach, but I also believe that the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department is crooked af. I mostly feel horrible for Brendan Dassey. I'm fairly convinced that he had nothing to do with the whole thing, and I thought the multiple interrogations of him were bullshit.
I believe Steven Avery murdered Teresa Halbach, but I also believe that the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department is crooked af. I mostly feel horrible for Brendan Dassey. I'm fairly convinced that he had nothing to do with the whole thing, and I thought the multiple interrogations of him were bullshit.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 8, 2016 10:09am
Pretty much my feelings as well. I think Avery did it, but the Sheriff's department did shit to make sure he didn't get out of it.Fab4Runner;1774013 wrote:Do we still care about Making a Murderer spoilers?
I believe Steven Avery murdered Teresa Halbach, but I also believe that the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department is crooked af. I mostly feel horrible for Brendan Dassey. I'm fairly convinced that he had nothing to do with the whole thing, and I thought the multiple interrogations of him were bullshit.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 8, 2016 1:53pm
Ruiners!!!
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jan 8, 2016 2:26pm
Latest flicks I've seen:
Unbroken = Solid
The Butler = Not too bad. Good history, but way too liberal for my liking
McFarland, USA = Very entertaining. True stories like this are pretty cool. And I love California scenery. I just would never want to live in that cesspool.
Unbroken = Solid
The Butler = Not too bad. Good history, but way too liberal for my liking
McFarland, USA = Very entertaining. True stories like this are pretty cool. And I love California scenery. I just would never want to live in that cesspool.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 8, 2016 10:03pm
Rocky IV
10....every time
10....every time
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 8, 2016 10:08pm
I just don't understand the motive. Why would be murder her. He was free and about to be rich. Makes literally no sense. There was never a why even presented. She came to take pics of a car like she had other times and all the sudden he just decides to murder her?? Why???
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 9, 2016 1:32am
Because he was infatuated with her and she wanted nothing to do with him?Midstate01;1774191 wrote:I just don't understand the motive. Why would be murder her. He was free and about to be rich. Makes literally no sense. There was never a why even presented. She came to take pics of a car like she had other times and all the sudden he just decides to murder her?? Why???
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 9, 2016 3:41am
I've been trying to read up more on it. I'm seeing these phone calls that were supposedly made to her. Certainly makes me think....GoChiefs;1774216 wrote:Because he was infatuated with her and she wanted nothing to do with him?
Then I saw a video that said a juror has said they compromised on the counts because they were gonna declare a mistrial but they were scared of the backlash. So they compromised on some counts of guilty because they believed that way he'd get a new trial from appeal courts.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jan 9, 2016 9:09am
He didn't rape that broad back in 1985, but it wasn't like he was a saint. He robbed a bar, burned his cat alive and ran his cousin off the road and pointed a gun at her. Obviously not the same as mudering someone, but he was a criminal. It's not uncommon for criminal activity to escalate over time.
To me, it just doesn't make sense that anyone else did it. If you think think the sheriff's department framed him, that means someone else killed her. Who?
To me, it just doesn't make sense that anyone else did it. If you think think the sheriff's department framed him, that means someone else killed her. Who?
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 9, 2016 9:48am
Here's a lengthy article about it all. Worth a read. About 3/4 of the way down, it goes over evidence that wasn't mentioned in the documentary.Midstate01;1774217 wrote:I've been trying to read up more on it. I'm seeing these phone calls that were supposedly made to her. Certainly makes me think....
Then I saw a video that said a juror has said they compromised on the counts because they were gonna declare a mistrial but they were scared of the backlash. So they compromised on some counts of guilty because they believed that way he'd get a new trial from appeal courts.
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/8/10734268/netflix-making-a-murderer-avery
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 9, 2016 1:24pm
Rocky III
8.5
8.5
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 9, 2016 2:05pm
Read that one last night.GoChiefs;1774242 wrote:Here's a lengthy article about it all. Worth a read. About 3/4 of the way down, it goes over evidence that wasn't mentioned in the documentary.
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/8/10734268/netflix-making-a-murderer-avery
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 9, 2016 6:28pm
Just got back from Hateful 8, not in 70 unfortunately. I read about there being an intermission, and there wasn't one in my showing. Overall solid flick, 7.5/10 but might be in running for least fav QT movie. Samuel Jackson was the man tho.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Jan 9, 2016 9:01pm
If you put an eye patch on Steven Avery, you might have a little younger version of Belly.
Which leads me to say that he is Guilty!
ha ha ha ha!
Which leads me to say that he is Guilty!
ha ha ha ha!
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Jan 10, 2016 1:14am
Star Wars meh 7/10
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 10, 2016 11:25pm
Revenant cleaned up at the golden globes tonight. Also saw that movie today and it was really fucking good. Leo is the man and better win the Oscar. They'll probably give it to the guy who keeps playing trannies though.
J
jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jan 11, 2016 12:30am
The Hateful 8. Haven't really liked a QT film in a long time and still waiting.
This one was better than most of his recent trash though. 5.5/10.
His movies in the 90s were amazing. He has really sucked it up since. Admittedly I have not seen Django Unchained yet.
This one was better than most of his recent trash though. 5.5/10.
His movies in the 90s were amazing. He has really sucked it up since. Admittedly I have not seen Django Unchained yet.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jan 11, 2016 10:25am
I don't understand the stupid academy. How has Leo not won one?SportsAndLady;1774719 wrote:Revenant cleaned up at the golden globes tonight. Also saw that movie today and it was really fucking good. Leo is the man and better win the Oscar. They'll probably give it to the guy who keeps playing trannies though.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 11, 2016 10:58am
Which movie do you think he deserved one for? Been a while since he's been in a great movie.ernest_t_bass;1774756 wrote:I don't understand the stupid academy. How has Leo not won one?