Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 4, 2013 10:38am
LOL.queencitybuckeye;1547392 wrote:Joeckel was the best college football player I saw last year.
Great player, I agree...but c'mon.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 4, 2013 10:40am
My point is how can a lineman be your Heisman winner if he isn't even unanimously considered the best lineman in the country? It's different for a QB or RB, but for a lineman to be considered a Heisman candidate he has to be THE BEST, period. jmo.queencitybuckeye;1547403 wrote:Pro potential != college performance.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 10:47am
What about Suh? Suh was the best player in CFB that year and didn't win. What a joke.vball10set;1547396 wrote:A MAC player was taken ahead of him in the draft...just sayin'
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 4, 2013 10:50am
What about him? I said the criteria for a lineman to be considered for the Heisman he had to be arguably the best at his position, and Suh was. I know he didn't win, and maybe he should have, but that wasn't the point I was making.sleeper;1547434 wrote:What about Suh? Suh was the best player in CFB that year and didn't win. What a joke.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 10:59am
No the point we should be making is the Heisman doesn't go to the best player or the best pro prospect; it simply goes to best player on a top 5 team who happens to be a QB or RB.vball10set;1547438 wrote:What about him? I said the criteria for a lineman to be considered for the Heisman he had to be arguably the best at his position, and Suh was. I know he didn't win, and maybe he should have, but that wasn't the point I was making.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 4, 2013 11:13am
Yeah, it's always been like that...that's the way it goes.sleeper;1547446 wrote:No the point we should be making is the Heisman doesn't go to the best player or the best pro prospect; it simply goes to best player on a top 5 team who happens to be a QB or RB.
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0311sdp
Posts: 580
Dec 4, 2013 11:52am
Good MAC player, not the best player in the country as this award is supposed to be. Doesn't matter what anyone thinks. if Winston is not sitting in jail by 12-9, he wins easily. McCarron blew it when they lost Saturday, Miller and Hyde didn't play enough games. There just aren't that many good candidates out there. The fact that Jordan Lynch even gets mentioned proves that.Zombaypirate;1547094 wrote:The Heisman is a complete joke. Jordan Lynch should win this with ease.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 4, 2013 6:54pm
I think Andre Williams should definitely be invited, though he did struggle against USC and Clemson. He did go for 150 against FSU though.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 4, 2013 11:04pm
damn all this hate on the mac. they will have a guy finish 2nd in heisman voting and yet another top 5 draft pick.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 5, 2013 9:45am
Remember back in Sept. when everyone thought it would be Manzier vs. Clowney? Just another huge chunk out of the SEC mystique.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 5, 2013 11:14am
If the Heisman was really about the best college football player, Orlando Pace would have won it when he was at OSU.
That is all
That is all
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Dec 5, 2013 6:27pm
It's a shame Hyde had to miss 3 games. Had he played the entire season, he probably would be the front-runner for the Heisman.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2013 7:58am
6 finalists invited and no Hyde (or Brax)....I won't be watching.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 10, 2013 8:22am
I would advocate for Hyde before Miller. Braxton's numbers don't really support being a Heisman candidate.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 10, 2013 9:47am
Whatever dude.ccrunner609;1551323 wrote:OSU players don't fit the narrative. ESPN agenda is anti OSU.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Dec 10, 2013 10:00am
I agree. I could not care less this year.vball10set;1551276 wrote:6 finalists invited and no Hyde (or Brax)....I won't be watching.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 10, 2013 11:40am
Anyone that thinks Miller should've been nominated is on crack. He had 3 really good games, but he missed a couple, and was very average passing the ball in others. If any OSU player deserved it, Hyde was the guy.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 10, 2013 12:17pm
If neither one missed any games, they both might be at the invite IMO. I doubt there has EVER been a player invited who missed the amount of games these guys did. Like it or not, the Heisman is mostly about the numbers. If both had been played every game, their numbers, as well as OSU success, would have had them in NY IMO.se-alum;1551431 wrote:Anyone that thinks Miller should've been nominated is on crack. He had 3 really good games, but he missed a couple, and was very average passing the ball in others. If any OSU player deserved it, Hyde was the guy.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Dec 10, 2013 1:07pm
Is Braxton coming back next year?
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2013 1:13pm
Don't know yet, but fingers crossed he does.rrfan;1551508 wrote:Is Braxton coming back next year?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 10, 2013 1:14pm
I thought I read he stated he was after the MSU game??
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 10, 2013 1:14pm
I believe last week he said he was almost postive he would be back. Although he said he hasn't hide time to think or really look into it much. I can't imagine him leaving. Expecially after that loss.rrfan;1551508 wrote:Is Braxton coming back next year?
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 10, 2013 1:17pm
I hope Winston and Manzier's planes collide in midair.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 10, 2013 1:26pm
If Miller leaves, he'll be working night shift at the Citgo, he won't be playing in the NFL.
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Dec 10, 2013 5:11pm
The fact that ONE of them (Miller / Hyde) didn't get invited is a travesty. How do you invite 6 finalists, and 1 of them isn't Hyde or Miller?! That's just mind-blowing to me.