
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Dec 4, 2013 11:38am
That may be the best and most accurate post I have ever read on the OC.redstreak one;1547422 wrote:8/31 Murray St ended 6-6 in the OVC, Mizz was in the others receiving votes coaches poll with 1.
9/7 Toledo ended at 7-5 in MAC, won 38-23, dropped from the others receiving votes in usa coaches poll.
9/21 @Indiana ended at 5-7 BIG, won 45-28, back into the usa coaches poll others receiving with 2 on week 4 standings.
9/28 Arkansas St. ended at 7-5 Sun Belt won 41-19, 86 votes in others on usa coaches poll week 6.
10/5 @ Vandy 8-4 SEC won 51-28, 86 votes in others recevingin week 7.
10/12 @ Georgia 8-4 SEC won 41-26, JUMP to 14th in usa coaches poll! ***************** They are barely on the radar preseason, slowly climb in the others receiving votes category, beat a OVER inflated Georgia team and BAM 14th! They jump 12 spots, no other team above or below them jumped even close to that high, +6 was the next highest. There is where the SEC bias comes in.
10/19 Florida 4-8 SEC, won 36-17, jumped 7 spots to #7 in usa coaches poll. Only Auburn jumped more spots with 9, Baylor also jumped 7 spots. 7 spots for beating Florida.
10/26 South Carolina, 10-2 SEC, Lost 27-24 dropped 3 spots to 10. Texas Tech loses to Oklahoma and drops 8 spots.
11/2 Tenn, 5-7 SEC, Won 31-3. Up 1 to 9 spot usa coaches poll, Mich St. jumps 5, all others 1.
11/9 Kentucky 2-10 SEC, Won 48-17. Up 1 to #8, all others 2 or 3 jumps with win.
11/23 Ole Miss 7-5 SEC, Won 24-10. Stay at 8, due to Auburn meteoric rise from the bottom! lol
11/30 Tex A&M 8-4 SEC, Won 28-21. Jump 2 to #6
Auburn doesnt hit the usa coaches poll until week 4 on 9/15 in others receving. Week 6 still in same slot. Week 9 they are 17. Week 10 they are 11.
That is why I dont like preseason voting! The SEC is by and large the BEST conference in college football. I wont deny that. My argument is that they receive over inflated preseason rankings, coupled with a meteoric rise by those not voted on as they replace those over inflated earlier picks, see Florida and LSU.
Dont have rankings until week 4 or 5 and then lets see where everyone stacks up.
And yes I have watched Mizz play, they are a very good team, but they are not world beaters like Alabama has been the last 4 years.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 4, 2013 11:40am
rrfan;1547485 wrote:That may be the best and most accurate post I have ever read on the OC.
I agree, and I did.SportsAndLady;1547472 wrote:Reps to redstreak when I can.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 4, 2013 11:43am
I agree, it is very debatable, that was just my opinion that they are the best team in CFB.centralbucksfan;1547463 wrote:Are they really THE best? Close game with A&M. Were LUCKY to get past a sub .500 Miss St. team as well. They didn't exactly steam roll teams like FSU did. Their overall schedule wasn't some gauntlet either when it was all said and done.
Not taking anything away from them. They are obviously ONE of the best. The best? I think that is very debatable.

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 4, 2013 11:52am
This is a great post and I agree with pretty much all of it. I just happen to think the SEC has earned the bias they receive in the polls. I in no way agree with the people who think Auburn or Mizzou should jump OSU though.redstreak one;1547422 wrote:8/31 Murray St ended 6-6 in the OVC, Mizz was in the others receiving votes coaches poll with 1.
9/7 Toledo ended at 7-5 in MAC, won 38-23, dropped from the others receiving votes in usa coaches poll.
9/21 @Indiana ended at 5-7 BIG, won 45-28, back into the usa coaches poll others receiving with 2 on week 4 standings.
9/28 Arkansas St. ended at 7-5 Sun Belt won 41-19, 86 votes in others on usa coaches poll week 6.
10/5 @ Vandy 8-4 SEC won 51-28, 86 votes in others recevingin week 7.
10/12 @ Georgia 8-4 SEC won 41-26, JUMP to 14th in usa coaches poll! ***************** They are barely on the radar preseason, slowly climb in the others receiving votes category, beat a OVER inflated Georgia team and BAM 14th! They jump 12 spots, no other team above or below them jumped even close to that high, +6 was the next highest. There is where the SEC bias comes in.
10/19 Florida 4-8 SEC, won 36-17, jumped 7 spots to #7 in usa coaches poll. Only Auburn jumped more spots with 9, Baylor also jumped 7 spots. 7 spots for beating Florida.
10/26 South Carolina, 10-2 SEC, Lost 27-24 dropped 3 spots to 10. Texas Tech loses to Oklahoma and drops 8 spots.
11/2 Tenn, 5-7 SEC, Won 31-3. Up 1 to 9 spot usa coaches poll, Mich St. jumps 5, all others 1.
11/9 Kentucky 2-10 SEC, Won 48-17. Up 1 to #8, all others 2 or 3 jumps with win.
11/23 Ole Miss 7-5 SEC, Won 24-10. Stay at 8, due to Auburn meteoric rise from the bottom! lol
11/30 Tex A&M 8-4 SEC, Won 28-21. Jump 2 to #6
Auburn doesnt hit the usa coaches poll until week 4 on 9/15 in others receving. Week 6 still in same slot. Week 9 they are 17. Week 10 they are 11.
That is why I dont like preseason voting! The SEC is by and large the BEST conference in college football. I wont deny that. My argument is that they receive over inflated preseason rankings, coupled with a meteoric rise by those not voted on as they replace those over inflated earlier picks, see Florida and LSU.
Dont have rankings until week 4 or 5 and then lets see where everyone stacks up.
And yes I have watched Mizz play, they are a very good team, but they are not world beaters like Alabama has been the last 4 years.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 11:54am
What has the SEC done to earn any bias? If FSU wins the championship, should Duke, Clemson, and Maryland start out as top ten teams? LOL

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 4, 2013 11:57am
Also, what has the bias in the polls even done for the SEC this season? They were going to have 2 teams in BCS games no matter what and no SEC team will even be in the NCG unless OSU or FSU loses.

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 4, 2013 12:00pm
If Maryland, Clemson, and Duke all start winning/making NCGs then yes they should receive a bias.sleeper;1547514 wrote:What has the SEC done to earn any bias? If FSU wins the championship, should Duke, Clemson, and Maryland start out as top ten teams? LOL

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 12:26pm
So really Alabama and Auburn are the only ones that have earned any bias. Nice try. How's Florida doing this year?Rotinaj;1547518 wrote:If Maryland, Clemson, and Duke all start winning/making NCGs then yes they should receive a bias.

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 4, 2013 12:30pm
LSU has also been damn good for a while.sleeper;1547567 wrote:So really Alabama and Auburn are the only ones that have earned any bias. Nice try. How's Florida doing this year?

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 12:31pm
Not since '07. Aren't they the only school in NCAA history to be SHUT OUT in a NCG? Honestly, I think Illinois/Indiana could manage that.Rotinaj;1547572 wrote:LSU has also been damn good for a while.

Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 4, 2013 12:32pm
One of the more amusing statistics about SEC being so tough is that Florida has 4 wins.
Three of those wins came from the mighty SEC while they only got one OOC win (Toledo). Granted they do play Miami and FSU. But still an amusing statistic nonetheless.
Three of those wins came from the mighty SEC while they only got one OOC win (Toledo). Granted they do play Miami and FSU. But still an amusing statistic nonetheless.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 12:40pm
You should have listed the three wins for even more hilarity: Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas. And listed their pre-season ranking: #10. Also took them to week #9 to drop from the Top 25. I mean LOL.Fly4Fun;1547576 wrote:One of the more amusing statistics about SEC being so tough is that Florida has 4 wins.
Three of those wins came from the mighty SEC while they only got one OOC win (Toledo). Granted they do play Miami and FSU. But still an amusing statistic nonetheless.

Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 4, 2013 12:45pm
Speaking of Arkansas.sleeper;1547584 wrote:You should have listed the three wins for even more hilarity: Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas. And listed their pre-season ranking: #10. Also took them to week #9 to drop from the Top 25. I mean LOL.
I hope Bielema is enjoying himself down there.

ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 4, 2013 12:48pm
LOL at an entire conference earning a bias, and LOL at ranking being determined based on the conference in which a team plays. If OSU had the same schedule they do now, but had a SEC affiliation, they'd be ranked #1, easy.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 4, 2013 12:49pm
All you need to know about the SEC this season, Florida lost to Georgia Southern. Then they barely lost to LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina while getting beat bad by Vanderbilt.
Outside of Alabama, the SEC was NOT that good this season.
Outside of Alabama, the SEC was NOT that good this season.

wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Dec 4, 2013 12:53pm
I agree with this. I think you earn the conference bias by winning the ncg 7 years in a row. Also agree that there is no way auburn should jump an undefeated osu teamRotinaj;1547508 wrote:This is a great post and I agree with pretty much all of it. I just happen to think the SEC has earned the bias they receive in the polls. I in no way agree with the people who think Auburn or Mizzou should jump OSU though.

Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Dec 4, 2013 12:55pm
#karmaFly4Fun;1547588 wrote:Speaking of Arkansas.
I hope Bielema is enjoying himself down there.

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 4, 2013 1:09pm
South Carolina beat Clemson rather easily. Im sure you think Clemson is bad too which leads me to ask this question. Who do you actually think is good this season?jmog;1547594 wrote:All you need to know about the SEC this season, Florida lost to Georgia Southern. Then they barely lost to LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina while getting beat bad by Vanderbilt.
Outside of Alabama, the SEC was NOT that good this season.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 1:17pm
Ohio State, FSU, NIU. That's about it.Rotinaj;1547624 wrote:South Carolina beat Clemson rather easily. Im sure you think Clemson is bad too which leads me to ask this question. Who do you actually think is good this season?

ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 4, 2013 1:23pm
Clemson isn't "bad," but you cannot tell me they aren't incredibly overrated.

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 4, 2013 1:25pm
I don't think they're a top 5 team but I think theyre definitely in the 13-15 range.ernest_t_bass;1547643 wrote:Clemson isn't "bad," but you cannot tell me they aren't incredibly overrated.

SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 4, 2013 1:53pm
Based on..?Rotinaj;1547645 wrote:I don't think they're a top 5 team but I think theyre definitely in the 13-15 range.

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 4, 2013 2:06pm
Crushing teams in their wins.SportsAndLady;1547656 wrote:Based on..?
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 4, 2013 2:07pm
Clemson literally had their ass handed to them by the 2 best teams they played. Blowouts. 15-20 at best IMO.Rotinaj;1547645 wrote:I don't think they're a top 5 team but I think theyre definitely in the 13-15 range.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2013 2:09pm
Clemson is a mediocre team.