wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Dec 2, 2013 10:59am
That is my thinking as wellwildcats20;1546314 wrote:Deserves? Mizzou.
Would go? Bama.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 11:48am
Predictions as of 12/2/2013
BCS National Championship - Ohio State (B1G) vs Florida State (ACC)
Rose Bowl - Arizona State (PAC 12) vs Baylor (AL#2)
Sugar Bowl - Auburn (SEC) vs Oregon (AL#3)
Orange Bowl - Central Florida (AAC) vs Alabama (AL#1)
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State (BIG 12) vs Northern Illinois (AL#4)
At-large selection order:
1. Orange Bowl (loses FSU)
2. Rose Bowl (loses OSU)
3. Sugar Bowl (#2 pick)
4. Fiesta Bowl (#3 pick)
The Orange Bowl will undoubtedly select Alabama as the first at-large. The Rose Bowl, not wanting a Pac 12 vs Pac 12 game, will bypass Oregon and select Baylor at #2. The Sugar Bowl, not wanting the non-BCS team, will pick Nike and Oregon #3. The Fiesta Bowl will then be forced to take Northern Illinois.
BCS National Championship - Ohio State (B1G) vs Florida State (ACC)
Rose Bowl - Arizona State (PAC 12) vs Baylor (AL#2)
Sugar Bowl - Auburn (SEC) vs Oregon (AL#3)
Orange Bowl - Central Florida (AAC) vs Alabama (AL#1)
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State (BIG 12) vs Northern Illinois (AL#4)
At-large selection order:
1. Orange Bowl (loses FSU)
2. Rose Bowl (loses OSU)
3. Sugar Bowl (#2 pick)
4. Fiesta Bowl (#3 pick)
The Orange Bowl will undoubtedly select Alabama as the first at-large. The Rose Bowl, not wanting a Pac 12 vs Pac 12 game, will bypass Oregon and select Baylor at #2. The Sugar Bowl, not wanting the non-BCS team, will pick Nike and Oregon #3. The Fiesta Bowl will then be forced to take Northern Illinois.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Dec 2, 2013 12:05pm
If Michigan State loses and Ohio State makes the championship game I would be shocked if MSU isn't in the Rose Bowl.Azubuike24;1546380 wrote:Predictions as of 12/2/2013
BCS National Championship - Ohio State (B1G) vs Florida State (ACC)
Rose Bowl - Arizona State (PAC 12) vs Baylor (AL#2)
Sugar Bowl - Auburn (SEC) vs Oregon (AL#3)
Orange Bowl - Central Florida (AAC) vs Alabama (AL#1)
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State (BIG 12) vs Northern Illinois (AL#4)
At-large selection order:
1. Orange Bowl (loses FSU)
2. Rose Bowl (loses OSU)
3. Sugar Bowl (#2 pick)
4. Fiesta Bowl (#3 pick)
The Orange Bowl will undoubtedly select Alabama as the first at-large. The Rose Bowl, not wanting a Pac 12 vs Pac 12 game, will bypass Oregon and select Baylor at #2. The Sugar Bowl, not wanting the non-BCS team, will pick Nike and Oregon #3. The Fiesta Bowl will then be forced to take Northern Illinois.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 12:10pm
You think the Rose would take MSU over every other at-large team? Even over a 1-loss Baylor? Also, to be eligible, you HAVE to be top 14 in the BCS. MSU is 10 right now. Couldn't a loss potentially drop them out of the top 14?
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 2, 2013 12:10pm
Missouri is better than LSU and Wisconsin. Im not saying Mizzou would definitely win if they played either of those teams but it would definitely be a minor upset if they lost.Manhattan Buckeye;1546321 wrote:Missouri has had a nice season but they are 10-12th team. No better than LSU or Wisconsin.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 12:11pm
I would've disagreed with Wisky until they shit the bed against Penn State.
Arguably, Wisconsin was one of the top 5 non-AQ teams, IMO. Until that loss at least.
Arguably, Wisconsin was one of the top 5 non-AQ teams, IMO. Until that loss at least.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 2, 2013 12:15pm
Stanford will get in over Oregon.Azubuike24;1546380 wrote:Predictions as of 12/2/2013
BCS National Championship - Ohio State (B1G) vs Florida State (ACC)
Rose Bowl - Arizona State (PAC 12) vs Baylor (AL#2)
Sugar Bowl - Auburn (SEC) vs Oregon (AL#3)
Orange Bowl - Central Florida (AAC) vs Alabama (AL#1)
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State (BIG 12) vs Northern Illinois (AL#4)
At-large selection order:
1. Orange Bowl (loses FSU)
2. Rose Bowl (loses OSU)
3. Sugar Bowl (#2 pick)
4. Fiesta Bowl (#3 pick)
The Orange Bowl will undoubtedly select Alabama as the first at-large. The Rose Bowl, not wanting a Pac 12 vs Pac 12 game, will bypass Oregon and select Baylor at #2. The Sugar Bowl, not wanting the non-BCS team, will pick Nike and Oregon #3. The Fiesta Bowl will then be forced to take Northern Illinois.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 2, 2013 12:16pm
With OSU in the NCG wouldn't the Rose just pick MSU to preserve their prefered B1G vs. Pac matchup instead of Baylor?Azubuike24;1546380 wrote:Predictions as of 12/2/2013
BCS National Championship - Ohio State (B1G) vs Florida State (ACC)
Rose Bowl - Arizona State (PAC 12) vs Baylor (AL#2)
Sugar Bowl - Auburn (SEC) vs Oregon (AL#3)
Orange Bowl - Central Florida (AAC) vs Alabama (AL#1)
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State (BIG 12) vs Northern Illinois (AL#4)
At-large selection order:
1. Orange Bowl (loses FSU)
2. Rose Bowl (loses OSU)
3. Sugar Bowl (#2 pick)
4. Fiesta Bowl (#3 pick)
The Orange Bowl will undoubtedly select Alabama as the first at-large. The Rose Bowl, not wanting a Pac 12 vs Pac 12 game, will bypass Oregon and select Baylor at #2. The Sugar Bowl, not wanting the non-BCS team, will pick Nike and Oregon #3. The Fiesta Bowl will then be forced to take Northern Illinois.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 12:19pm
They would, but criteria to be an at-large is you must finish top 14 in the BCS standings. MSU is 10th. A loss could drop them below.Fly4Fun;1546398 wrote:With OSU in the NCG wouldn't the Rose just pick MSU to preserve their prefered B1G vs. Pac matchup instead of Baylor?
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 12:20pm
Not with 3 losses (after Stanford loses to ASU).sleeper;1546396 wrote:Stanford will get in over Oregon.
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JU-ICE
Posts: 259
Dec 2, 2013 12:20pm
Brad Edwards has:
Championship: FSU vs OSU
Rose: MSU vs Stanford
Sugar: Auburn vs UCF
Orange: Clemson vs Bama
Championship: FSU vs OSU
Rose: MSU vs Stanford
Sugar: Auburn vs UCF
Orange: Clemson vs Bama
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 12:22pm
Does he have Oklahoma State (would have to beat OU) or Baylor (would need to beat UT/OSU lose to OU) winning the Big XII?
The only real lock is Northern Illinis in the Fiesta Bowl. At this point.
The only real lock is Northern Illinis in the Fiesta Bowl. At this point.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 2, 2013 12:22pm
FSU vs OSU would be the only game that even interests me.JU-ICE;1546406 wrote:Brad Edwards has:
Championship: FSU vs OSU
Rose: MSU vs Stanford
Sugar: Auburn vs UCF
Orange: Clemson vs Bama
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 2, 2013 12:27pm
Ya, but look at the standings...Azubuike24;1546403 wrote:They would, but criteria to be an at-large is you must finish top 14 in the BCS standings. MSU is 10th. A loss could drop them below.
15. LSU
16. UCF
I don't see MSU getting dropped below either of them for losing to a team going to the NCG in the conference championship.
Only way that would happen is if OSU just completely blows out MSU by 3+ TD's.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 2, 2013 12:29pm
Good call. I forgot that they got blown out by ASU.Azubuike24;1546405 wrote:Not with 3 losses (after Stanford loses to ASU).
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 2, 2013 12:29pm
lol this. Seriously terrible line up of games.Rotinaj;1546409 wrote:FSU vs OSU would be the only game that even interests me.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Dec 2, 2013 12:31pm
Yeah, if MSU is eligible for the Rose they will be going there. They'll do anything for Pac-12-B1G.Azubuike24;1546392 wrote:You think the Rose would take MSU over every other at-large team? Even over a 1-loss Baylor? Also, to be eligible, you HAVE to be top 14 in the BCS. MSU is 10 right now. Couldn't a loss potentially drop them out of the top 14?
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Dec 2, 2013 12:34pm
I believe they are obligated to take the B1G/PAC-12 winners unless both of them are playing in the national championship game (which isn't going to happen)Terry_Tate;1546413 wrote:Yeah, if MSU is eligible for the Rose they will be going there. They'll do anything for Pac-12-B1G.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 12:36pm
They would have to select MSU as an at-large, but yeah, I can see where MSU with the B1G draw would be honored.
Sleeper, that's my prediction. ASU wins the Pac 12 and Stanford gets a 3rd loss, meaning they aren't top 14 AND would be behind Oregon.
Sleeper, that's my prediction. ASU wins the Pac 12 and Stanford gets a 3rd loss, meaning they aren't top 14 AND would be behind Oregon.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 2, 2013 12:46pm
And this mind set is what bothers me. People want to use the Wisky loss as another reason why the Big10 is crappy. But if this scenario, obviously different teams, were to happen in the SEC...then its because the SEC is so deep and competative.Azubuike24;1546394 wrote:I would've disagreed with Wisky until they shit the bed against Penn State.
Arguably, Wisconsin was one of the top 5 non-AQ teams, IMO. Until that loss at least.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 2, 2013 12:48pm
Just like when they took Illinois in '07; that team was not a BCS team but they did beat OSU.Terry_Tate;1546413 wrote:Yeah, if MSU is eligible for the Rose they will be going there. They'll do anything for Pac-12-B1G.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2013 1:50pm
The mindset is more than Wisky, IMO, was a top 12 team prior and had a BCS bid locked up. They had blown everyone out prior (except their 2 losses, both close) and then dropped a home game to a team who was .500 in the conference.centralbucksfan;1546422 wrote:And this mind set is what bothers me. People want to use the Wisky loss as another reason why the Big10 is crappy. But if this scenario, obviously different teams, were to happen in the SEC...then its because the SEC is so deep and competative.
Yeah, it's not a terrible loss, but it's a bad one and definitely fits the bill of "shit the bed."
This would be the equivalent of Missouri, Auburn or South Carolina losing at home to Ole Miss or Vanderbilt with a BCS game on the line. That would be a BAD loss.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 2, 2013 1:55pm
Don't disagree in terms of how it works for Wisky themselves. But in terms of conference strength, the media talking heads were using it as more evidence that the Big10 sucks. But when this scenario happens in SEC or even other conferences, its about how deep and strong the conference is. Not pulling this shit out of my ass. I hear and watch it directly on TV. Palmer and Pollack were beyond ridiculous last nite on the BCS show. And I like them both as studio guys.Azubuike24;1546460 wrote:The mindset is more than Wisky, IMO, was a top 12 team prior and had a BCS bid locked up. They had blown everyone out prior (except their 2 losses, both close) and then dropped a home game to a team who was .500 in the conference.
Yeah, it's not a terrible loss, but it's a bad one and definitely fits the bill of "shit the bed."
This would be the equivalent of Missouri, Auburn or South Carolina losing at home to Ole Miss or Vanderbilt with a BCS game on the line. That would be a BAD loss.
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vball10set
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Dec 2, 2013 2:22pm
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 2, 2013 2:43pm
Great objective (not written by someone at ESPiN) article.