Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 6, 2013 2:32pm
Harassment, not bullying. Incognito went above and beyond your typical bullying. I thought that would be understood by now.Manhattan Buckeye;1530609 wrote:No, but I do appreciate the irony of a thread that is sort of about bullying (when it is about football and two players that likely anyone wouldn't want on their favorite team)....when there are people here that have done exactly that.
Not that I really care about it.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 6, 2013 2:38pm
Semantics?
""STFU MB. You're not funny. No one enjoys your posts. No one laughs at your posts. Everyone hates you. Just throw yourself in front of the next train that comes by in Bangkok or wherever the fuck you are that no one cares you are at and piss off." You deal with it.
In the workplace I certainly have had to deal with "bullying" behavior. I'm not saying it is right, but it happens and there are a channel of controls to go through.
""STFU MB. You're not funny. No one enjoys your posts. No one laughs at your posts. Everyone hates you. Just throw yourself in front of the next train that comes by in Bangkok or wherever the fuck you are that no one cares you are at and piss off." You deal with it.
In the workplace I certainly have had to deal with "bullying" behavior. I'm not saying it is right, but it happens and there are a channel of controls to go through.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 6, 2013 2:41pm
I didn't say that. Incognito is a a psycho idiot with a history of being a jackass. But in the same breath, Martin is kind of a *****. You don't like the bullying? Beat the fuck out of him.vball10set;1530596 wrote:...and this is supposed to make what Incognito did okay? I guess in some circle's this may validate his actions, but imo, the guy's a psycho idiot, period.
Martin had better win a big lawsuit because when this is all said & done both he and Incognito are going to have a tough time finding work, imo.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 6, 2013 2:44pm
You act like that quote is the same as someone directing racial slurs and threats at someone. It's not.Manhattan Buckeye;1530615 wrote:Semantics?
""STFU MB. You're not funny. No one enjoys your posts. No one laughs at your posts. Everyone hates you. Just throw yourself in front of the next train that comes by in Bangkok or wherever the fuck you are that no one cares you are at and piss off." You deal with it.
In the workplace I certainly have had to deal with "bullying" behavior. I'm not saying it is right, but it happens and there are a channel of controls to go through.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 6, 2013 2:44pm
If he truly believed the threats in the voicemail, it would have made absolutely no sense for Martin to beat the fuck out of him. It would have given Incognito even more reason to go after his family.BR1986FB;1530621 wrote:I didn't say that. Incognito is a a psycho idiot with a history of being a jackass. But in the same breath, Martin is kind of a *****. You don't like the bullying? Beat the fuck out of him.
Martin had better win a big lawsuit because when this is all said & done both he and Incognito are going to have a tough time finding work, imo.
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Gblock
Nov 6, 2013 2:47pm
this part of the story is kinda coming true with the backlash that martin is getting..Fab4Runner;1530602 wrote:http://www.brian23.com/richie-incognito-bad-person-end-of-story/
They become afraid that speaking out will make it worse, or that nobody will believe them, or that they’ll lose their job/status/reputation/friends/whatever by making waves. They’re made to believe there will be consequences and further horribleness if they say or do anything to stop it.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 6, 2013 2:50pm
I agree it is different...but in either case is there really a threat? As big of a jerk that Incognito is - was Martin really threatened? I'm not particularly threatened by Sports and Lady's post...even though it was far worse than what Incognito said.Automatik;1530622 wrote:You act like that quote is the same as someone directing racial slurs and threats at someone. It's not.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 6, 2013 2:53pm
Incognito was being the "bully" because he knew that Martin would back down. If Martin shows Incognito who the "alpha" is, I don't see Incognito going after Martin's family for fear that he (Incognito) would get something worse.Fab4Runner;1530624 wrote:If he truly believed the threats in the voicemail, it would have made absolutely no sense for Martin to beat the fuck out of him. It would have given Incognito even more reason to go after his family.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2013 2:53pm
You don't encounter S&L every day in person.Manhattan Buckeye;1530631 wrote:I agree it is different...but in either case is there really a threat? As big of a jerk that Incognito is - was Martin really threatened? I'm not particularly threatened by Sports and Lady's post...even though it was far worse than what Incognito said.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Nov 6, 2013 2:53pm
BR1986FB;1530621 wrote:I didn't say that. Incognito is a a psycho idiot with a history of being a jackass. But in the same breath, Martin is kind of a *****. You don't like the bullying? Beat the fuck out of him.
Martin had better win a big lawsuit because when this is all said & done both he and Incognito are going to have a tough time finding work, imo.
"Beat the **** out of him." I expected someone from Steubenville to think that would have been the solution.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2013 2:54pm
BR1986FB;1530635 wrote:Incognito was being the "bully" because he knew that Martin would back down. If Martin shows Incognito who the "alpha" is, I don't see Incognito going after Martin's family for fear that he (Incognito) would get something worse.
How does Martin know that? All he knows is that he has been abused, harrassed and extorted by Incognito.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 6, 2013 2:54pm
Obviously Martin thought there was a threat. He said he would kill him and also mentioned his family. It doesn't matter whether you think it's threatening or not. The person receiving the messages clearly did.Manhattan Buckeye;1530631 wrote:I agree it is different...but in either case is there really a threat? As big of a jerk that Incognito is - was Martin really threatened? I'm not particularly threatened by Sports and Lady's post...even though it was far worse than what Incognito said.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2013 2:56pm
BR1986FB;1530621 wrote:I didn't say that. Incognito is a a psycho idiot with a history of being a jackass. But in the same breath, Martin is kind of a *****. You don't like the bullying? Beat the fuck out of him.
Martin had better win a big lawsuit because when this is all said & done both he and Incognito are going to have a tough time finding work, imo.
LOL
http://www.brian23.com/richie-incognito-bad-person-end-of-story/If you think Martin should’ve “kicked his ass” or “stood up and been a man”, I’d honestly recommend you stop watching football for awhile, because it’s chipping away at your humanity.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 6, 2013 2:57pm
Exactly. That article summed up a majority of my thoughts on the whole thing.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 6, 2013 2:59pm
and that is an eggshell, again:Fab4Runner;1530640 wrote:Obviously Martin thought there was a threat. He said he would kill him and also mentioned his family. It doesn't matter whether you think it's threatening or not. The person receiving the messages clearly did.
"STFU MB. You're not funny. No one enjoys your posts. No one laughs at your posts. Everyone hates you. Just throw yourself in front of the next train that comes by in Bangkok or wherever the fuck you are that no one cares you are at and piss off."
- edit, I don't care.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 6, 2013 3:00pm
So if someone is threatening you, you're going to just let them have their way with you? You DEFEND yourself.september63;1530638 wrote:"Beat the **** out of him." I expected someone from Steubenville to think that would have been the solution.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2013 3:01pm
It's called self preservation. Violence is always a last resort.BR1986FB;1530652 wrote:So if someone is threatening you, you're going to just let them have their way with you? You DEFEND yourself.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 6, 2013 3:02pm
Do you work with or see any of the people on here on a daily basis? It's completely different. I don't defend the people on here who troll and bully everyone, but it is not the same as a real life situation.Manhattan Buckeye;1530651 wrote:and that is an eggshell, again:
"STFU MB. You're not funny. No one enjoys your posts. No one laughs at your posts. Everyone hates you. Just throw yourself in front of the next train that comes by in Bangkok or wherever the fuck you are that no one cares you are at and piss off."
- edit, I don't care.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 6, 2013 3:03pm
No one should be advocating violence...but the more I read Martin didn't even go to his coaches.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 6, 2013 3:04pm
There are reports that it was the coaches who asked Incognito to "toughen him up." If true, why would he ever feel comfortable going to them?Manhattan Buckeye;1530657 wrote:No one should be advocating violence...but the more I read Martin didn't even go to his coaches.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 6, 2013 3:07pm
A very fair point. And Martin can explain his actions.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 6, 2013 3:11pm
Yeah if you're a meathead. Or roided out. Or a tough guy.BR1986FB;1530652 wrote:So if someone is threatening you, you're going to just let them have their way with you? You DEFEND yourself.
Not everyone is though. And "beating the fuck out of him" is a horrible way to go about it.
I couldn't disagree more with mike golic this morning on mike and mike when he was going back and forth with Dan lebatard. Lebatard was absolutely correct and golic was just trying to justify the "standing up for yourself" argument because he used to be an nfl player.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Nov 6, 2013 3:17pm
Manhattan Buckeye;1530657 wrote:No one should be advocating violence...but the more I read Martin didn't even go to his coaches.
Not only this, but Incognito was on the team leadership council and/or a team captain and an established veteran in the NFL whereas Martin is barely a second year player.Fab4Runner;1530658 wrote:There are reports that it was the coaches who asked Incognito to "toughen him up." If true, why would he ever feel comfortable going to them?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 6, 2013 3:17pm
By "beat the fuck out of him" I wasn't implying that Martin be the aggressor. You initially try to talk it out with him and, assuming that doesn't work (not likely in Incognito's case) you "call" him on it and do what you've got to do. You defend yourself, family, etc. I'm not advocationg that Martin sneak attack him or something like that but for godsakes, stand up for yourself.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 6, 2013 4:19pm
So don't beat the fuck out of him in a sneak attack. Bring it up to him and then when he doesn't back down, then beat the fuck out of him.BR1986FB;1530670 wrote:By "beat the fuck out of him" I wasn't implying that Martin be the aggressor. You initially try to talk it out with him and, assuming that doesn't work (not likely in Incognito's case) you "call" him on it and do what you've got to do. You defend yourself, family, etc. I'm not advocationg that Martin sneak attack him or something like that but for godsakes, stand up for yourself.