Me?
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Nov 7, 2013 3:09pm
BINGO.queencitybuckeye;1531441 wrote:Correction: Two players have some major issues, one manifested by the actions of the other.
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Manhattan Buckeye
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Nov 7, 2013 3:21pm
Agreed, both do.queencitybuckeye;1531441 wrote:Correction: Two players have some major issues, one manifested by the actions of the other.
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Manhattan Buckeye
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Nov 7, 2013 3:24pm
And this is awful writing:
""Or look at it this way: Say Jonathan Martin had three children, two boys and a girl. Say the youngest was 2 months old and the oldest was 3 years old and they all died in a fire."
""Or look at it this way: Say Jonathan Martin had three children, two boys and a girl. Say the youngest was 2 months old and the oldest was 3 years old and they all died in a fire."
Raw Dawgin' it
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Nov 7, 2013 3:30pm
Jonathan Martin is 6'5 300lbs. It's not like Incognito was picking on a guy like Hartline. I definitely see where people are coming from saying he should stand up for himself.
Fab4Runner
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Nov 7, 2013 3:31pm
You think Knocked Up is a terrible movie, so your opinion is invalid.Manhattan Buckeye;1531461 wrote:And this is awful writing:
""Or look at it this way: Say Jonathan Martin had three children, two boys and a girl. Say the youngest was 2 months old and the oldest was 3 years old and they all died in a fire."
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thavoice
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Nov 7, 2013 3:35pm
I would think that any man should be able to stand up to another if he really is being bothered. Doesnt have to punch or get physical, just basically tell him to fuck off and stop it.Raw Dawgin' it;1531464 wrote:Jonathan Martin is 6'5 300lbs. It's not like Incognito was picking on a guy like Hartline. I definitely see where people are coming from saying he should stand up for himself.
After that..then well do what you gotta do, report it or punch him.. Thing is if you punch him ya never know what happens next.
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Manhattan Buckeye
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Nov 7, 2013 3:36pm
Yeah and I like Ever After and Snow White and the Huntsman, which makes my point more invalid.Fab4Runner;1531465 wrote:You think Knocked Up is a terrible movie, so your opinion is invalid.
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friendfromlowry
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Nov 7, 2013 5:50pm
Sometime this morning I changed my stance to "Everyone involved is an idiot and I don't give a shit anymore. Let's move on."
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Zoltan
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Nov 7, 2013 5:52pm
A lot of great big picture points on the situation here. I agree with this.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9941696/jonathan-martin-walked-twisted-world-led-incognito
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9941696/jonathan-martin-walked-twisted-world-led-incognito
Ironman92
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Nov 7, 2013 6:03pm
Agree.Zoltan;1531533 wrote:A lot of great big picture points on the situation here. I agree with this.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9941696/jonathan-martin-walked-twisted-world-led-incognito
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Manhattan Buckeye
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Nov 7, 2013 6:14pm
friendfromlowry;1531531 wrote:Sometime this morning I changed my stance to "Everyone involved is an idiot and I don't give a shit anymore. Let's move on."
perfect sentiment. and it is strangely relevant to a family issue with respect to selling some land. Everyone is being stupid and dealing with it - not fun.
iclfan2
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Nov 7, 2013 6:59pm
If his black teammates don't think he is racist, and are cool with him using it, why would you as a white male with 0 background into this story think it is wrong?SportsAndLady;1531146 wrote:A white guy called a black guy a n***** in the workplace. Guess that means nothing to dolphins fans. Who gives a fuck if he's a sissy? What does that have to do with the fact that he was harassed by a fellow coworker?
Pick6
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Nov 7, 2013 7:15pm
Because it is wrong?iclfan2;1531572 wrote:If his black teammates don't think he is racist, and are cool with him using it, why would you as a white male with 0 background into this story think it is wrong?
SportsAndLady
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Nov 7, 2013 7:18pm
Yeah I'm sure his black teammates are real "cool" with him using the n word.iclfan2;1531572 wrote:If his black teammates don't think he is racist, and are cool with him using it, why would you as a white male with 0 background into this story think it is wrong?
iclfan2
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Nov 7, 2013 7:26pm
Apparently they are...SportsAndLady;1531586 wrote:Yeah I'm sure his black teammates are real "cool" with him using the n word.
-Added Jerry, who is black, speaking about Incognito's alleged use of a racial slur: "I know the type of person he is and I know he don't mean it that way."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57611276/dolphins-bullying-saga-has-teammates-playing-defense/
-because some black teammates have said the language that Incognito used was ok.
-“Richie is honorary,” a former Dolphins player who knew both said. “I don’t expect you to understand because you’re not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It’s about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you’ve experienced. A lot of things.”
Pick6
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Nov 7, 2013 7:32pm
Incognito clearly used in a derogatory way.
ernest_t_bass
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Nov 7, 2013 7:52pm
I'm still yet to actually listen to the voicemail. (Link?)
Did he say nigg-er, or nigg-a?
Did he say nigg-er, or nigg-a?
Fab4Runner
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Nov 7, 2013 7:57pm
I have seen numerous black people say this is ridiculous.iclfan2;1531594 wrote:Apparently they are...
-Added Jerry, who is black, speaking about Incognito's alleged use of a racial slur: "I know the type of person he is and I know he don't mean it that way."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57611276/dolphins-bullying-saga-has-teammates-playing-defense/
-because some black teammates have said the language that Incognito used was ok.
-“Richie is honorary,” a former Dolphins player who knew both said. “I don’t expect you to understand because you’re not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It’s about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you’ve experienced. A lot of things.”
iclfan2
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Nov 7, 2013 8:02pm
Not that are on his team. I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that unless anyone here was part of the team, you can say it's wrong if his "brothers in arms" are ok with it.Fab4Runner;1531619 wrote:I have seen numerous black people say this is ridiculous.
Fab4Runner
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Nov 7, 2013 8:09pm
What about the person he harassed? Can he say it's wrong?iclfan2;1531622 wrote:Not that are on his team. I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that unless anyone here was part of the team, you can say it's wrong if his "brothers in arms" are ok with it.
iclfan2
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Nov 7, 2013 8:26pm
He sure can... Has he? I haven't actually seen him say anything about this yet. And from all accounts, he and incognito were good friends. Which is what makes this story bizarre.
SportsAndLady
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Nov 7, 2013 10:58pm
One teammate? One? And he didn't say he was cool with it, he said I'm sure he didn't mean it in a racial way. Which is probably true. But it doesn't excuse him from being a POS.iclfan2;1531594 wrote:Apparently they are...
-Added Jerry, who is black, speaking about Incognito's alleged use of a racial slur: "I know the type of person he is and I know he don't mean it that way."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57611276/dolphins-bullying-saga-has-teammates-playing-defense/
-because some black teammates have said the language that Incognito used was ok.
-“Richie is honorary,” a former Dolphins player who knew both said. “I don’t expect you to understand because you’re not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It’s about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you’ve experienced. A lot of things.”
And ETB you seriously haven't listened to the voicemail? How can you even have an opinion on this conversation ABOUT THE VOICEMAIL when you haven't even listened to it? LOL
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Zoltan
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Nov 7, 2013 10:58pm
It's pretty well established that they were. He uses it right in front of Pouncey on the TMZ video and he is cool with it. It doesn't make it right, but the whole culture of an NFL locker room is messed up.SportsAndLady;1531586 wrote:Yeah I'm sure his black teammates are real "cool" with him using the n word.
Every dolphin I have seen weigh in is on his side, which shows just how F'd up the culture is.
Read the Whitlock article on ESPN, he does a great job explaining it.
Ironman92
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Nov 7, 2013 11:37pm
I don't care if every NFL player, coach, GM and owner agree with Incognito.
I will not.
I will not.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Nov 8, 2013 6:32am
If black people are so offended by it, maybe they should stop saying it too.SportsAndLady;1531586 wrote:Yeah I'm sure his black teammates are real "cool" with him using the n word.