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Oct 31, 2013 11:15 AM
If there was a thread about this and i missed it i apologize.

How do you feel about this? Should it be changed or stay the same?

I keep going back and forth..on one hand some find it offensive, if i was native american i may absolutely want it changed. On the other hand i see it as honoring those native americans in the past. to ban the name almost feels like no one will ever really know that the they existed except for some lessons in school around thanksgiving.

Also why do the redskins get all the grief..is it more offensive than the cleveland indians or the kansas city chiefs because of the redskin reference??

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Oct 31, 2013 11:15am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:17 AM
I think Dan Snyder should be free to do as he pleases with the name of the team.
Oct 31, 2013 11:17am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:20 AM
justincredible;1526546 wrote:I think Dan Snyder should be free to do as he pleases with the name of the team.
Normally I would agree but when you are a franchise you also have to have the blessing of the franchisor.

The business operations itself, however, should make/keep the name whatever the heck they want it to be...offensive or not. The patrons will either accept it or not.
Oct 31, 2013 11:20am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:20 AM
Redskins isn't offensive. These people need to grow up.
Oct 31, 2013 11:20am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:20 AM
The name doesn't honor native americans - it honors the boston tea party when americans dressed up as indians.

Most native americans don't find the name offensive, and i bet most people associate redskins with football, not a racial slur.

With that said, no team would name themselves the spooks, coons, camel jockeys, shylocks, queers etc. Native Americans do get shit on more than anyone else, but there have been polls showing most people do not find it offensive, including Native Americans.
Oct 31, 2013 11:20am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:21 AM
Keep it the same and I think he will.

Now...when he sells it I could see it getting changed.
Oct 31, 2013 11:21am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:23 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1526556 wrote:The name doesn't honor native americans - it honors the boston tea party when americans dressed up as indians.

Most native americans don't find the name offensive, and i bet most people associate redskins with football, not a racial slur.

With that said, no team would name themselves the spooks, coons, camel jockeys, shylocks, queers etc. Native Americans do get shit on more than anyone else, but there have been polls showing most people do not find it offensive, including Native Americans.
Actually I'm pretty sure you could name a team "The Crackers" and it'd be fine. It's only offensive when it involves black people(like if the Redskins was called "the Monkeys" we'd never hear the end).
Oct 31, 2013 11:23am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:29 AM
sleeper;1526563 wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure you could name a team "The Crackers" and it'd be fine. It's only offensive when it involves black people(like if the Redskins was called "the Monkeys" we'd never hear the end).
I agree - black community looks for any reason to cry racism.
Oct 31, 2013 11:29am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:29 AM
The part that bothers me is the notion of news organizations not using the word. I thought they were supposed to report, not shape, the news.
Oct 31, 2013 11:29am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:30 AM
queencitybuckeye;1526582 wrote:The part that bothers me is the notion of news organizations not using the word. I thought they were supposed to report, not shape, the news.
Which ones are refusing to say it?
Oct 31, 2013 11:30am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:32 AM
thavoice;1526584 wrote:Which ones are refusing to say it?
I believe the SF Chronicle is the latest. Peter King is on board, which should tell people what side they should take.
Oct 31, 2013 11:32am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:34 AM
Matthew Berry won't say it either. All these people who won't say it are asshole bandwagoners. Where were they when they first heard the name?
Oct 31, 2013 11:34am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:34 AM
queencitybuckeye;1526589 wrote:I believe the SF Chronicle is the latest. Peter King is on board, which should tell people what side they should take.
Well hell, it is SF, that in itself should tell everyone how rediculous this is.

Didnt know PK was on board with it. Does he really believe it or just playing to his constituancy (sp?)
Oct 31, 2013 11:34am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:47 AM
I'm conflicted.

On one hand, I have no problem with the name, personally. And I do get annoyed as fuck when groups change long-time names just for the interest of being PC. Although this wouldn't be near as hilariously stupid of an issue as when the same city changed the Bullets to the (GHEY ALERT!) Wizards, I'd still find myself a bit annoyed.

On the other hand, Dan Snyder is a grade A incompetent douchenozzle of an owner and anything negative happening to him is great by me! If the end result is him sticking to his guns until an angry mob gets him and rips him limb from limb, that might be the perfect case scenario.
Oct 31, 2013 11:47am
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Oct 31, 2013 11:58 AM
sleeper;1526554 wrote:Redskins isn't offensive. These people need to grow up.
To piggyback on this, should white people be outraged of the name "Cowboys" or "Yankees"? Those are both offensive to me; please change thanks.

But seriously, the Redskins should offer 1% of all ticket and merchandising sales to some tribe that speaks the loudest and watch how their outrage disappears. This is simply a money grab which is what these minorities truly care about.
Oct 31, 2013 11:58am
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Oct 31, 2013 12:14 PM
I am completely against team names and depictions of Native Americans like certain teams do: Washington (football), Cleveland (baseball), Atlanta (baseball), Chicago (hockey -- even though the name is based off of military, the mascot is not), and any number of others.

Florida State and Utah (colleges) are different, in my opinion, because they do have the "blessing" of the tribes that are depicted AND I do believe there is some given back to those tribes. I think it is completely unnecessary to utilize human beings in the context they are being used. There's no need to continue to racially stereotype Native Americans the way they are being depicted.

The term "redskin" isn't directed toward the pigment of the skin, like many believe. Its roots go much more heinous and cruel.
Oct 31, 2013 12:14pm
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Oct 31, 2013 12:55 PM
sleeper;1526637 wrote:To piggyback on this, should white people be outraged of the name "Cowboys" or "Yankees"? Those are both offensive to me; please change thanks.

But seriously, the Redskins should offer 1% of all ticket and merchandising sales to some tribe that speaks the loudest and watch how their outrage disappears. This is simply a money grab which is what these minorities truly care about.
Didn't Vikings rape women and kill entire villages?
Oct 31, 2013 12:55pm
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Oct 31, 2013 12:57 PM
OSH;1526655 wrote:The term "redskin" isn't directed toward the pigment of the skin, like many believe. Its roots go much more heinous and cruel.
Name comes from Boston tea party when they were the Boston redskins. Back when people called indians redskins and it wasn't racist. Just like the term colored and negro used to be acceptable. Most people associate Redskin with the NFL.
Oct 31, 2013 12:57pm
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Oct 31, 2013 12:57 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1526556 wrote:The name doesn't honor native americans - it honors the boston tea party when americans dressed up as indians.

Most native americans don't find the name offensive, and i bet most people associate redskins with football, not a racial slur.

With that said, no team would name themselves the spooks, coons, camel jockeys, shylocks, queers etc. Native Americans do get shit on more than anyone else, but there have been polls showing most people do not find it offensive, including Native Americans.
What about The "Fightin Irish"?
Oct 31, 2013 12:57pm
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Oct 31, 2013 12:59 PM
derek bomar;1526708 wrote:What about The "Fightin Irish"?
Most Micks get hammered and fight so it's appropriate.
Oct 31, 2013 12:59pm
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Oct 31, 2013 1:03 PM
I think every team should be called the Rainbows.
Oct 31, 2013 1:03pm
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Oct 31, 2013 1:07 PM
Rotinaj;1526711 wrote:I think every team should be called the Rainbows.
Didnt hawaii have to change their name away from Rainbows?
Oct 31, 2013 1:07pm
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Oct 31, 2013 1:16 PM
thavoice;1526715 wrote:Didnt hawaii have to change their name away from Rainbows?
Don't know if they were forced too but I think they are the Warriors now?

The whole name change thing is stupid. It's about as dumb as my freshmen year at Wright State when they changed the "viking" looking Rowdy Raider to a freaking wolf!!! What the hell? The explenation from the president as to why they changed it to a wolf but kept the name "raiders" was unreal.
Oct 31, 2013 1:16pm
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Oct 31, 2013 1:42 PM
There's no need to continue to racially stereotype Native Americans the way they are being depicted.
The only people who complain about stereotypes are those with political axes to grind, and hence they get a forum to advance their agenda. It is a shame that people are so easily suckered into believing that these 'depictions' actually contribute to continuing discrimination.
Oct 31, 2013 1:42pm
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Oct 31, 2013 2:35 PM
If I were Dan Snyder, I'd change it to the Drunken Scalp Takers.
Oct 31, 2013 2:35pm