SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 17, 2014 2:25pm
Cya cbf.Laley23;1568409 wrote:Why are you taking a shot at Wiggins, and to call him lazy? Have you watched him play? And his character, for how good he is, is amazing. Probably the most humble "superstar" I've ever seen at the college level.
What an insanely idiotic comment to make. And very random to just bring wiggins into the topic out of nowhere.
Smh, go back to not posting on this site will ya?
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jan 17, 2014 4:35pm
Just to clarify my comments, I'm not saying that Matta should go or anything even close to that. He's one of the best coaches and recruiters in the country. I'm just saying that he and his staff deserve some of the blame in not developing these players over the last few years. Someone mentioned that Amir and Lenzelle's numbers have improved over the years, but really it's only because they are getting more minutes. All of these players are essentially the same players that they were when they came to OSU, and that is a major problem. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 17, 2014 4:59pm
2013: Finished #2 in B1G regular season, B1G Tourney champs, Elite Eight appearance, finished top 10 in polls.robj55;1568525 wrote:Just to clarify my comments, I'm not saying that Matta should go or anything even close to that. He's one of the best coaches and recruiters in the country. I'm just saying that he and his staff deserve some of the blame in not developing these players over the last few years. Someone mentioned that Amir and Lenzelle's numbers have improved over the years, but really it's only because they are getting more minutes. All of these players are essentially the same players that they were when they came to OSU, and that is a major problem. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise.
I think their development is ok.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 17, 2014 6:26pm
25.4robj55;1568525 wrote:Just to clarify my comments, I'm not saying that Matta should go or anything even close to that. He's one of the best coaches and recruiters in the country. I'm just saying that he and his staff deserve some of the blame in not developing these players over the last few years. Someone mentioned that Amir and Lenzelle's numbers have improved over the years, but really it's only because they are getting more minutes. All of these players are essentially the same players that they were when they came to OSU, and that is a major problem. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise.
27.4
27.1
Lenzelle's minutes the past 3 years.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jan 17, 2014 6:36pm
His shot is beyond atrocious. I guarantee almost everyone on this board can hit the 3 better than himsleeper;1568286 wrote:Not sure why people are saying Craft is overrated. He's the best defender in college basketball, maybe one of the best ever. His offensive game has never been that strong.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 17, 2014 7:38pm
Uh ohMulva;1568556 wrote:25.4
27.4
27.1
Lenzelle's minutes the past 3 years.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 17, 2014 7:38pm
Not cbf. For one, he's 80. And also, he'll never admit someone other than an Ohio State player is better than an Ohio State player.Classyposter58;1568560 wrote:His shot is beyond atrocious. I guarantee almost everyone on this board can hit the 3 better than him
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Jan 17, 2014 8:18pm
Ahh, did I hurt your wittle feelings cs? Poor guy. lolSportsAndLady;1568579 wrote:Not cbf. For one, he's 80. And also, he'll never admit someone other than an Ohio State player is better than an Ohio State player.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Jan 17, 2014 8:20pm
Did I question his character? Didn't take a shot. Simple said he plays when he chooses. Its called laziness. I am far from the only one who has said this. Its the knock on him how he disappears during long stretches of games. And yes, I have seen him play plenty and its a legit issue.Laley23;1568409 wrote:Why are you taking a shot at Wiggins, and to call him lazy? Have you watched him play? And his character, for how good he is, is amazing. Probably the most humble "superstar" I've ever seen at the college level.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 17, 2014 8:35pm
You worry about your own team's many issues and let me worry about Kansas' "issue" of wiggins "playing when he wants to play"centralbucksfan;1568590 wrote:Did I question his character? Didn't take a shot. Simple said he plays when he chooses. Its called laziness. I am far from the only one who has said this. Its the knock on him how he disappears during long stretches of games. And yes, I have seen him play plenty and its a legit issue.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jan 17, 2014 9:51pm
What are the shot attempt numbers per game?Mulva;1568556 wrote:25.4
27.4
27.1
Lenzelle's minutes the past 3 years.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 17, 2014 10:40pm
Don't forget, Matta had his shooter in this class, and he wasn't willing to stick it out. He's currently shooting 47% from 3 for Dayton.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 18, 2014 1:05am
For one, disappearing for stretches does not equal laziness...at all. Passive play doesn't equal laziness. That's just a dumb comment.centralbucksfan;1568590 wrote:Did I question his character? Didn't take a shot. Simple said he plays when he chooses. Its called laziness. I am far from the only one who has said this. Its the knock on him how he disappears during long stretches of games. And yes, I have seen him play plenty and its a legit issue.
Secondly, you didn't directly question his character. But you said Craft is everything good in college, and insinuated it was a travesty someone like Wiggins made the cover of a magazine. But it isn't, cause his character is tremendous and he is 10x the player Craft is.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 18, 2014 1:12am
Wiggins>>>>>>>>>Craft. Jesus. Wiggins is a hell of a player, but he does seem to lack the killer instinct that stars have. Hopefully he gets it, but that's usually not something you can teach.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 18, 2014 6:11am
That maybe true, but doesn't mean he is lazy. At all.se-alum;1568679 wrote:Wiggins>>>>>>>>>Craft. Jesus. Wiggins is a hell of a player, but he does seem to lack the killer instinct that stars have. Hopefully he gets it, but that's usually not something you can teach.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 18, 2014 7:16am
se-alum;1568628 wrote:Don't forget, Matta had his shooter in this class, and he wasn't willing to stick it out. He's currently shooting 47% from 3 for Dayton.
...and JD Weatherspoon is averaging 11 pts and 6 boards for Toledo. These guys (JD & Sibert) didn't/couldn't get it done in Cbus, and sometimes all that's needed is a change. It worked out for them, but that doesn't mean that if they'd stayed the results would have been the same....HOWEVER, would I like to have these two back at OSU putting up these numbers? Hell yes!!!
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 18, 2014 8:36am
This is true, so far.se-alum;1568679 wrote:Wiggins>>>>>>>>>Craft. Jesus. Wiggins is a hell of a player, but he does seem to lack the killer instinct that stars have. Hopefully he gets it, but that's usually not something you can teach.
However, the last few games he has looked 10x more aggressive than usual. I think he's starting to come around.
But regardless, none of this means he is lazy. CBF is such a fucking dumbass
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 18, 2014 8:37am
Reps.Laley23;1568677 wrote:For one, disappearing for stretches does not equal laziness...at all. Passive play doesn't equal laziness. That's just a dumb comment.
Secondly, you didn't directly question his character. But you said Craft is everything good in college, and insinuated it was a travesty someone like Wiggins made the cover of a magazine. But it isn't, cause his character is tremendous and he is 10x the player Craft is.
Hopefully CBF shuts the hell up now about this, and this thread can get back to osu bball and not how great a person Craft is and how Andrew Wiggins suffocates babies.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 18, 2014 8:44am
I think the problem with Amir isn't actually development but the want to play the game. He plays like he doesn't care half the time. When someone gets on his ass he can be a force (remember sully up in his shit during the Syracuse game and how well he played after that?)
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 18, 2014 12:45pm
I coached a kid in middle school who was one of the best 7th and 8th graders I had ever seen. But, you could just tell he didn't care for basketball. He is still playing at the varsity level and literally hasn't gotten any better. Scored 27 a game for me in middle school, averaging less than 5 as a sr in hs because he just doesn't like to play.LJ;1568712 wrote:I think the problem with Amir isn't actually development but the want to play the game. He plays like he doesn't care half the time. When someone gets on his ass he can be a force (remember sully up in his shit during the Syracuse game and how well he played after that?)
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vball10set
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Jan 19, 2014 8:17am
Ironman92
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Jan 20, 2014 6:57pm
Craft fouls in the first 25 seconds
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 20, 2014 6:58pm
Who the hell is behind Thad????
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 20, 2014 7:03pm
I guess that was a Nebraska cheerleader lol
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 20, 2014 7:20pm
Loving picks up his 2nd and he literally wasn't touching him.