I think azu just wants someone to say how awesome Kentucky is...

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wildcats20;1803662 wrote:Also, I don't think OSU will make a change(unless a major falloff). It's going to be up to Thad when he leaves, IMO.

I think if they miss the tournament again this year he will be on the hot seat going into next.

Midstate01;1803739 wrote:I think azu just wants someone to say how awesome Kentucky is...

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Actually, that has nothing to do with it. Don't be so dense.

All I said was OSU could be a lot better than they are right now in basketball. If they don't want to be and respect Matta enough to let him continue coaching until he doesn't want to, fine. However, they could clearly be doing a lot better.

Nobody really addressed the points I made though. 20 wins? That doesn't mean shit anymore. It would be different if with a recruiting drop off, came a bunch of really well-developed 3 and 4-star recruits who give OSU a very good, veteran team every 2-3 years. However, the couple "veteran" teams OSU has had recently have been utterly disappointing.

I love how threads just die after someone takes a personal jab and doesn't continue the argument.

I'd still love to hear something to counter the point other than "Matta is a nice guy, has some health problems and is the best guy available."

Azubuike24;1803616 wrote:Maybe Thad Matta just isn't a very good coach? Since 2011, he's gotten worse every season. The recruiting has gone down every season. There really hasn't been any player improvement after the down recruiting.

Azubuike24;1803671 wrote:Okay, so what I read is...

Matta isn't a bad coach, as I prefaced. Of course, this is a very subjective term. I'd argue that Matta WAS a good coach, but is he anything more than average now? It seems there is agreement that his health is a barrier and that it's affecting his coaching. Obviously, which is noted that he's gradually gotten worse since the 2011-12 Final Four. His recruiting has declined. His player development has disappeared. Right now, what more does he have to offer than being a decent high-major program.

Not sure you prefaced anything. You said maybe he just isnt a bad coach. Youre continuing an argument on the preface of something you started. All we have done is disagree about him being a bad coach. People may want him gone or think he has earned the right to stay, thats irrelevant. His health has stunted the recruiting, which is the life of a college coach and success.

Azubuike24;1803790 wrote: All I said was OSU could be a lot better than they are right now in basketball. If they don't want to be and respect Matta enough to let him continue coaching until he doesn't want to, fine. However, they could clearly be doing a lot better.

Nobody really addressed the points I made though. 20 wins? That doesn't mean shit anymore. It would be different if with a recruiting drop off, came a bunch of really well-developed 3 and 4-star recruits who give OSU a very good, veteran team every 2-3 years. However, the couple "veteran" teams OSU has had recently have been utterly disappointing.

Azubuike24;1804457 wrote:I love how threads just die after someone takes a personal jab and doesn't continue the argument.

I'd still love to hear something to counter the point other than "Matta is a nice guy, has some health problems and is the best guy available."

Now you want to say OSU can do better, and all this. Why not start there? More people may agree with you. Instead youve twisted your argument to this, when in fact many of us may agree with this line of thinking. But, you started with a claim many disagree with, including myself. Then end the "argument" with claims many agree with, including myself...and wonder why the thread has died? There isnt much more to discuss at this point.

Like I said, take a jab about Kentucky and then don't respond.

Obviously it's a slow time with CBB, but my point was A) Matta isn't a very good coach, as evidenced by his declining teams and B) Ohio State can do better. The discussion then turned into "I'm hating and Kentucky wants a pat on the back?"

I didn't respond because I was messing with you about Kentucky like I always do.. I wasn't being serious. Thus no need to actually respond. I'm not even sure what you wanted from your questions or why you brought them up.

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Fair. Sarcasm on message board fail on my end.

Nice article on Thad Matta

https://theringer.com/thad-matta-ohio-state-buckeyes-79a487f56b6a#.59p56989s

That was a good article. Enjoyed it; would read again.

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2016/11/11/osu-men-naval-academy.html

Pretty cool article here.

"... “It’s very humbling to be able to realize that they are stripped down to nothing and have to earn everything here as they work their way up in the rankings.”...

Matta said seeing the flag raised was one of the most amazing things he had ever witnessed.

“I now know why America’s greatest leaders have come through the service academies,” Matta said at the end of the tour. “I don’t think our guys can really comprehend the daily discipline and organization and time management that these midshipmen have. We get to see a side of life that our guys probably don’t even know exists.” ..."

They, uh, beat Navy. That's about all that can be said. The returnees, except for Lyle, had good games. None of the new guys did much of anything to stand out. Well, Jackson was 4-4 at the line, which for Ohio State is pretty noteworthy...

Marc Loving's regression continues--I can't remember the last player I've seen to have steadily declined in four years the way he has. Also, this team just isn't very good...tough to watch.

They are so awkward to watch. Just no fluidity at all

If winning by a combined 18 points over two nobodies is what we're getting, I'm not sure that all the "improvement" and stuff they were talking about actually stuck.

vball10set;1824598 wrote:Marc Loving's regression continues--I can't remember the last player to have steadily declined in four years the way he has. Also, this team just isn't very good...tough to watch.

One reason why I will most likely continue to not watch them again this year. One of the Dispatch writers said it perfectly when he portrayed Loving as 'Aloof and lethargic'.

He needs to just sit......

I like Matta alot, but his time may be drawing to a close. If these are the best guys that he can recruit, he may need to be replaced. Wondering if that was the reason for bringing Chris Jent back? Coach in waiting?

For this year, I'd play Thompson at the 4, Potter at the 4, Bates-Diop at the 3, Williams at the 2 and Jackson at the point. Lyle looks completely disinterested and nothing but selfish and, Loving is a turn over machine. Give the new guys some time now to see what they have and wait for another mediocre season....

Lyle looks completely disinterested and nothing but selfish

Something's going on with him, and wouldn't be at all surprised if he were to quit the team and transfer mid-season...not predicting he will, just wouldn't shock me.

vball10set;1824970 wrote:Something's going on with him, and wouldn't be at all surprised if he were to quit the team and transfer mid-season...not predicting he will, just wouldn't shock me.

It would be right in line with his HS career.

The kid so soooo, so talented, but just a headcase it seems.

1. Team did look good in getting past Providence. Or, at least, better. Lyle finally had a good game and the duo of Thompson and Bell gave strong post minutes. Hopefully, Bates-Diop is back before long, as they don't have the depth to last too long without him, with actual good teams coming up on the horizon.

2. Funderburk to be red-shirted. Not good for the depth, as I was hoping he could be a good bench contributor. Matta said he and his family are cool with this. Hopefully, that's true. After last year, another exodus would be a complete killer. Seems that the recruiting has been really suffering recently. Lyle was the only player in last year's class that looked better than MAC-level. And this year, Potter is the only freshman who's made any kind of impact (and he only played four minutes against Prov). Jackson, while not a freshman recruit has potential, but it looks like his PT is going to be directly determined by how well Lyle plays. And right now, the team's philosophy seems to be to go after lesser-tier guys who want to be Buckeyes instead of higher-tier guys who want to play and go pro. All good in theory, but it makes me nervous about the future when they're getting 3-stars with a few 4-stars, while all the elite players are going elsewhere. Puts the pressure on the coaches to get those guys to play above their ratings or the team will be stuck in 20-12 purgatory.

Matta needs to go IMO

Watching this game vs WCU, and Tate is an animal...Loving, on the other hand, is absolutely useless--it's pathetic

edit: nice to see Lyle back in form too

vball10set;1825789 wrote:Watching this game vs WCU, and Tate is an animal...Loving, on the other hand, is absolutely useless--it's pathetic

edit: nice to see Lyle back in form too

Loving just has no emotion. In HS that was the year of Hayes/Loving/Kizer all in Toledo and the thing that jumped out about the other two is how much more intense they were than Marc

Good first half.

Don't think Ohio State has scored a point since I turned the TV on. If Virginia takes the lead I'm throwing Netflix on. Anything for the team.

This would be a nice road win if they can hold on....don't feel that they will though