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Oct 17, 2013 9:02pm
I love Big L and he is clever lyrically and was full of punchlines but he's not in the same realm as Eminem, just being honest.
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 17, 2013 9:23pm
ccrunner609;1519586 wrote:M&M isn't a top 5 rapper. Maybe not even top 10. Go back to the 80's and listen. If you did you wouldn't make those statements
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robj55
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Oct 17, 2013 9:39pm
ccrunner609;1519586 wrote:M&M isn't a top 5 rapper. Maybe not even top 10. Go back to the 80's and listen. If you did you wouldn't make those statements
smh
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Oct 18, 2013 10:53am
Automatik;1519360 wrote:I'm taking Big L all day everyday over Eminem....but that's just personal preference.
Andre 3000 over Eminem would be my choice

Also, Anthony nails it and calls out Eminem's shitty lyrics on his most recent singles

[video=youtube;daDLgR6kxSM][/video]
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Oct 18, 2013 12:15pm
Mohican00;1519711 wrote:Andre 3000 over Eminem would be my choice

Also, Anthony nails it and calls out Eminem's shitty lyrics on his most recent singles

[video=youtube;daDLgR6kxSM][/video]
Anthony? Or Lohanthony?

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Oct 18, 2013 12:51pm
Mohican00;1519711 wrote:Andre 3000 over Eminem would be my choice

Also, Anthony nails it and calls out Eminem's shitty lyrics on his most recent singles

[video=youtube;daDLgR6kxSM][/video]
To be honest, I completely agree with this guy. He hits it on the nail. Is Eminem good? Yes. No question. But he's spot one... Eminem drops way too many corny lines that are more childish than they are "creative". I said this before (and I got blasted for it), but I'll say it again... The Slim Shady LP was one of the greatest albums of all-time, but since then, it's been a lot of "whiny" tunes that really we (or at least I) have outgrown. Just look at the singles since The Slim Shady LP...

  • The Real Slim Shady = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • The Way I Am = good, but a little "wtf?"
  • Stan = LEGENDARY. Probably Em's best track/single.
  • Without Me = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • Cleanin' Out My Closet = terrible
  • Lose Yourself = good
  • Superman = terrible
  • Sing for the Moment = good
  • Business = ???
  • Just Lose it = More "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • Encore = good
  • Toy Soldiers = great
  • Mockingbird = terrible
  • Ass Like That = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • When I'm Gone = great
  • You Don't Know = ???
  • Jimmy Crack Corn = terrible
  • Crack a Bottle = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • We Made You = terrible
  • 3 a.m. = ???
  • Old Time's Sake = ???
  • Beautiful = ???
  • Hell Breaks Loose = ???
  • Elevator = ???
  • Not Afraid = GREAT
  • Love the Way You Lie = GREAT
  • No Love = GREAT
  • Space Bound = ???
  • Berzerk = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • Survival = ???
  • Rap God = ???
That's 36 songs, of which 6 were more "kiddy" than "rap" songs, 10 were "???" (meaning either had never really heard of them, forgotten, or the jury is still out), and 5 were terrible. So... if you're doing the math at home, that's 21 of his 36 "singles" as "kiddy"/questionable/or flat out terrible. Over 58%. That's not "legendary" numbers.
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Oct 18, 2013 1:10pm
I prefer Jason Derulo over this M&M character. He's white and white people can't rap(or dance).
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robj55
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Oct 18, 2013 3:17pm
Scarlet_Buckeye;1519766 wrote:To be honest, I completely agree with this guy. He hits it on the nail. Is Eminem good? Yes. No question. But he's spot one... Eminem drops way too many corny lines that are more childish than they are "creative". I said this before (and I got blasted for it), but I'll say it again... The Slim Shady LP was one of the greatest albums of all-time, but since then, it's been a lot of "whiny" tunes that really we (or at least I) have outgrown. Just look at the singles since The Slim Shady LP...

  • The Real Slim Shady = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • The Way I Am = good, but a little "wtf?"
  • Stan = LEGENDARY. Probably Em's best track/single.
  • Without Me = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • Cleanin' Out My Closet = terrible
  • Lose Yourself = good
  • Superman = terrible
  • Sing for the Moment = good
  • Business = ???
  • Just Lose it = More "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • Encore = good
  • Toy Soldiers = great
  • Mockingbird = terrible
  • Ass Like That = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • When I'm Gone = great
  • You Don't Know = ???
  • Jimmy Crack Corn = terrible
  • Crack a Bottle = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • We Made You = terrible
  • 3 a.m. = ???
  • Old Time's Sake = ???
  • Beautiful = ???
  • Hell Breaks Loose = ???
  • Elevator = ???
  • Not Afraid = GREAT
  • Love the Way You Lie = GREAT
  • No Love = GREAT
  • Space Bound = ???
  • Berzerk = more "kiddy" feel than "rap" feel
  • Survival = ???
  • Rap God = ???
That's 36 songs, of which 6 were more "kiddy" than "rap" songs, 10 were "???" (meaning either had never really heard of them, forgotten, or the jury is still out), and 5 were terrible. So... if you're doing the math at home, that's 21 of his 36 "singles" as "kiddy"/questionable/or flat out terrible. Over 58%. That's not "legendary" numbers.
I think your assessment of some of those songs is wayyy off, he did do some kiddy songs but by in large a lot of his lyrics are extremely witty/clever and relatable. The Slim Shady LP is great but imo he has grown tremendously since then, his voice, delivery, rhyme patterns and lyrical content have grown tremendously since then. I never understood the idea that people wanted him to go back to the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers days, he was great then but he is even better now. I think when people say that they just want him to talk about the content that he did then, which was way more hardcore than some recent work.
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 18, 2013 3:22pm
Little Wayne > *
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Oct 18, 2013 4:08pm
Cleaning out my closet, Superman, and Mockingbird terrible songs? You serious clark?
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Oct 18, 2013 4:10pm
Rotinaj;1519841 wrote:Cleaning out my closet, Superman, and Mockingbird terrible songs? You serious clark?

Apparently "I don't like it" is the same as "It is terrible". Get with the program!
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Oct 18, 2013 4:11pm
Rotinaj;1519841 wrote:Cleaning out my closet, Superman, and Mockingbird terrible songs? You serious clark?
Of these I only liked Superman.
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Oct 18, 2013 4:12pm
dlazz;1519819 wrote:Little Wayne > *
Little Wayne is terrible.
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Oct 18, 2013 4:12pm
Rotinaj;1519841 wrote:Cleaning out my closet, Superman, and Mockingbird terrible songs? You serious clark?
Yeah, headscratcher to say the least.
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Oct 18, 2013 7:21pm
robj55;1519817 wrote:I think your assessment of some of those songs is wayyy off, he did do some kiddy songs but by in large a lot of his lyrics are extremely witty/clever and relatable. The Slim Shady LP is great but imo he has grown tremendously since then, his voice, delivery, rhyme patterns and lyrical content have grown tremendously since then. I never understood the idea that people wanted him to go back to the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers days, he was great then but he is even better now. I think when people say that they just want him to talk about the content that he did then, which was way more hardcore than some recent work.
Nicely put. Recovery was the best material he has given us to date. Eminem is a legendary rapper who has only grown with age and is without question -- all subjectivity aside -- in the conversation of the handful of greatest MCs to ever speak into a mic.
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Oct 19, 2013 1:11pm
Rotinaj;1519841 wrote:Cleaning out my closet, Superman, and Mockingbird terrible songs? You serious clark?
And apparently if he doesn't remember a song, it automatically gets put in the "questionable" group with "terrible" songs.

How do you NOT remember Business? It got played into the ground on MTV and on the radio.

And 3AM? You seriously don't remember that song either. Not sure if you can be listed as a credible source on anything related to Eminem's songs if you can't even remember those two songs. So the percentage you came up with is void.
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Oct 19, 2013 1:40pm
Yeah, the question mark thing was sort of bizarre. Beautiful and Space Bound were both -- in my opinion excellent -- songs from albums that were each released within the last four years. So not sure how they could be forgotten, provided that the OP actually listened to those records. (And if he didn't, then not sure how credible an Eminem critic he really is.) To be fair, he also said that the question marks could also indicate that the "jury is still out" on those songs, whatever that means.
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Oct 19, 2013 4:08pm
Dear lord. His change of pace in verse three and the change in rhythm and timing in verse one are ridiculous.


GOAT.
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 19, 2013 4:16pm
reclegend22;1519891 wrote:Nicely put. Recovery was the best material he has given us to date.
Troll detected
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reclegend22
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Oct 19, 2013 4:57pm
In terms of overall growth as an artist, I think Recovery is Eminem's best work. You are, of course, free to disagree. Even if it wasn't his greatest album -- which is purely subjective -- it was right there near the top. Recovery was sensational.

Then again, you have stated that Eminem stopped being good in 2002, so the question of who the troll is in this discussion seems to be up for debate.
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Gardens35
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Oct 19, 2013 5:07pm
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 19, 2013 11:21pm
reclegend22;1520238 wrote:Then again, you have stated that Eminem stopped being good in 2002, so the question of who the troll is in this discussion seems to be up for debate.
Releases and their aggregate reviews based on metacritic:

The Slim Shady LP (1999) (unrated)
The Marshall Mathers LP (2000) 78
The Eminem Show (2002) 75
Encore (2004) 64
Relapse (2009) 50
Recovery (2010) 63


So I reiterate, Eminem has been on a downward decline since 2002.
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Oct 19, 2013 11:22pm
dlazz;1520433 wrote:So I reiterate, Eminem has been on a downward decline since 2002.
As opposed to an upward decline?
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Oct 20, 2013 8:03am
O-Trap;1520435 wrote:As opposed to an upward decline?
What's wrong O-trap? Don't you appreciate redundancy? lol
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 20, 2013 2:12pm
O-Trap;1520435 wrote:As opposed to an upward decline?