BGFalcons82;1517029 wrote:Watergate is worse, eh? Tell us how many people died during this scandal? Now tell us how many have died during Fast n Furious? How many died in Benghazi? Oh wait...those aren't scandals, are they?

Really? Really?
Watergate was the worst Presidential action of the 20th century. The sitting President resigned. That has never happened, never. He was going to be impeached. The President approved criminal action be taken.

And, the larger picture, before the American public had a positive view of the U.S., after, and since until now, the public has had a skeptical or negative view of the Government.

Watergate is the worst U.S. Presidential scandal of the 20th century, and trumps anything Obamacare may impact.
Come on man.

ptown_trojans_1;1517030 wrote: Watergate is the worst U.S. Presidential scandal of the 20th century, and trumps anything Obamacare may impact.
Come on man.

No, it wasn't the worst of the 20th century, and it certainly is not the worst of the 21st century. The current imposter is making watergate look like a playground game of tag.

QuakerOats;1517034 wrote:No, it wasn't the worst of the 20th century, and it certainly is not the worst of the 21st century. The current imposter is making watergate look like a playground game of tag.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I guess the President saying he ordered guys to break into the other party's HQ is not that big a deal, or to bug all the people that tried to uncover the scandal. Or, to use the CIA to make sure it all goes away.
Or, to pretty much fire all the advisers, and the Attorney General in one night.

Nah, not a scandal at all.

Even this is a stretch for your sad, sad postings,

ptown_trojans_1;1516891 wrote:Stop with the rhetoric, it accomplishes nothing.

I 100% agree with your statement here.

However, I have yet to see you condemn the liberals for calling the Rs terrorists and arsonists, which is far worse than this guys statement.

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jmog;1517130 wrote:I 100% agree with your statement here.

However, I have yet to see you condemn the liberals for calling the Rs terrorists and arsonists, which is far worse than this guys statement.

Fine, they all suck.

QuakerOats;1517144 wrote:STICKER SHOCK
ObamaCare rates soar despite customer subsidies

My regular insurance jumped 12%. Haven't bothered to find the Obamakare comparison yet - I'd be shocked if it was less (and I'm guessing probably 25% above my new rate).

ptown_trojans_1;1517146 wrote:Fine, they all suck.

Interesting that you only seem to point out when a republican that doesn't even hold office says something divisive but manage to never point out when Carney, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, et al call the republicans terrorists and arsonists.

jmog;1517310 wrote:Interesting that you only seem to point out when a republican that doesn't even hold office says something divisive but manage to never point out when Carney, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, et al call the republicans terrorists and arsonists.

Maybe because I'm not in the game to hunt out and post quotes that in the end do not matter.
I was responding to what is an insane quote.
The D's need to stop with the language as well. Sorry if I did not respond to all your posts of the D quotes. What, do I need to respond to everything now?

What is your point?
Do you honestly think I favor the rhetoric of the D's? If so, you are mistaken.

I want adults to show up, and come up with ideas, that go beyond simple defund or clean CR words.
I'm not playing any political game.
But, man that quote was just insane.

ptown_trojans_1;1517314 wrote:Maybe because I'm not in the game to hunt out and post quotes that in the end do not matter.
I was responding to what is an insane quote.
The D's need to stop with the language as well. Sorry if I did not respond to all your posts of the D quotes. What, do I need to respond to everything now?

What is your point?
Do you honestly think I favor the rhetoric of the D's? If so, you are mistaken.

I want adults to show up, and come up with ideas, that go beyond simple defund or clean CR words.
I'm not playing any political game.
But, man that quote was just insane.

it seems most people on this forum forget what its like to be middle of the road.

gut;1517220 wrote:My regular insurance jumped 12%. Haven't bothered to find the Obamakare comparison yet - I'd be shocked if it was less (and I'm guessing probably 25% above my new rate).

Mine jumped 15%. Thanks Obama! : thumbup:

gut;1516857 wrote:I have doubts you really know what my politics are - and I don't know how many times I've explained this. You continue to demonstrate an inability to understand what people are saying, learn from them, and remember what has been said. You assume most people on here that rail against unbridled keynesian economics are right wing conservatives. You would be wrong. That's just a reflex argument of yours, typical of liberals.

I'm pretty much down the middle of people that actually know enough about this stuff to make money. Obama a moderate - how can you expect to be taken seriously with statements like that?

And the majority of America knows virtually nothing of economics and most struggle with basic financial management. I wouldn't be citing the majority to bolster my arguments here. I don't want to cut SS and Medicare, either, and I don't want to raise FICA to cover it. But I live in reality. Even Obama agrees we need reform there, so according to you he's a conservative.

Like I said, you are not a moderate in the United States of America. I made no claim about where you are amongst financial types. I am well to the left in today's political spectrum. Most financial types are fiscal conservatives. Considering yourself a moderate amongst financial types is tantamount to acknowledging that you're to the right of the center of the American poltical spectrum. Obama wond handily in the general election on his moderately liberal platform. You just think most Americans are stupid it's that simple and you've said as much several times. Obama's not a conservative he's a moderate liberal tax-favoring mild deficit hawk. You prove the point. Obama won the election with the votes of moderates and independents and was disdained by financial types.

ptown_trojans_1;1517314 wrote: But, man that quote was just insane.

If you are talking about Dr. Carson's quote then perhaps you need to do a little more reading.

The quote was spot on.

ptown_trojans_1;1517030 wrote:Really? Really?
Watergate was the worst Presidential action of the 20th century. The sitting President resigned. That has never happened, never. He was going to be impeached. The President approved criminal action be taken.

And, the larger picture, before the American public had a positive view of the U.S., after, and since until now, the public has had a skeptical or negative view of the Government.

Watergate is the worst U.S. Presidential scandal of the 20th century, and trumps anything Obamacare may impact.
Come on man.

1. The President's Attorney General of the United States authorized a plan to distribute weapons to well-known drug lords and criminals. These guns were used to murder hundreds of Mexican citizens, American citizens and an American Border Guard. Not as bad as authorizing a breaking and entering gig, eh?
2. American citizens and an American Ambassador were brutally murdered on the anniversary of 9-11 while the President of the United States sat by and let it unfold. He let them die. You should be a little more inquisitive as to where he was that afternoon and why no help was authorized. Oh wait...it was a movie that stopped him from helping...right?
3. The President of the United States has authorized our government to wiretap American citizens without proper court notice, collect electronic data on people not accused of crimes and authorize the sharing of same information with his re-election campaign. Not as bad as keeping an "enemies list" perhaps?

I could go on, but what's the point. You are convinced Nixon is Satan incarnate and nothing will ever "top" him.

^^^ The IRS targeting of American citizens is equally outrageous. Yet, in some minds, digging up a little dirt on one's political adversaries is apparently worse. A big difference between then and now, at least then the guy had one final ounce of integrity and resigned ---- that won't happen with the types of we are dealing with today - either obama or Clinton.

BGFalcons82;1517721 wrote:1. The President's Attorney General of the United States authorized a plan to distribute weapons to well-known drug lords and criminals. These guns were used to murder hundreds of Mexican citizens, American citizens and an American Border Guard. Not as bad as authorizing a breaking and entering gig, eh?
2. American citizens and an American Ambassador were brutally murdered on the anniversary of 9-11 while the President of the United States sat by and let it unfold. He let them die. You should be a little more inquisitive as to where he was that afternoon and why no help was authorized. Oh wait...it was a movie that stopped him from helping...right?
3. The President of the United States has authorized our government to wiretap American citizens without proper court notice, collect electronic data on people not accused of crimes and authorize the sharing of same information with his re-election campaign. Not as bad as keeping an "enemies list" perhaps?

I could go on, but what's the point. You are convinced Nixon is Satan incarnate and nothing will ever "top" him.

For leftists NOTHING Obama does will ever top Watergate.

Based on today's political climate, something as seemingly petty as Watergate would be ignored by the press particularly if those actions were to have occurred under Dem presidencies like Clinton's and Obama's. By "petty" I mean that Watergate pales in comparison to Fast & Furious, Benghazi, NSA, IRS, etc. yet Obama gets a free effin pass by the lamestream media and Barry Nuthuggers.

Blows my mind.

Mine went up 6%, but it went conforming 2 years ago.

believer;1517761 wrote:For leftists NOTHING Obama does will ever top Watergate.

Based on today's political climate, something as seemingly petty as Watergate would be ignored by the press particularly if those actions were to have occurred under Dem presidencies like Clinton's and Obama's. By "petty" I mean that Watergate pales in comparison to Fast & Furious, Benghazi, NSA, IRS, etc. yet Obama gets a free effin pass by the lamestream media and Barry Nuthuggers.

Blows my mind.

The left-wing press ignored the Clinton machine body count; to think they would go after their messiah over IRS, NSA, Benghazi, etc...etc.... is not surprising.

QuakerOats;1517791 wrote:The left-wing press ignored the Clinton machine body count; to think they would go after their messiah over IRS, NSA, Benghazi, etc...etc.... is not surprising.

Like clockwork. You can set your watch to it.

LJ;1517764 wrote:Mine went up 6%, but it went conforming 2 years ago.

I'm interested to see the increases in relation to past increases. Because costs on healthcare have increased every year for like 30 damn years or something so numbers in a vacuum don't really help.

BoatShoes;1517708 wrote:\ Most financial types are fiscal conservatives. Considering yourself a moderate amongst financial types is tantamount to acknowledging that you're to the right of the center of the American poltical spectrum.

I'll say it again, do you honestly believe the majority of America doesn't want a balanced budget, doesn't believe Washington spending is out of control, and wants to just keep piling on debt? They may have other issues that have much more importance or priority to them, but to pretend otherwise I think is just indicative that you don't really understand there are many types and degrees of being fiscally conservative - you just tend to associate all fiscal conservatism with the extreme right wing because it suits your arguments.

No, it's the spend spend spend liberals who are way off the mainstream. You really do live in a bubble.

gut;1517862 wrote: No, it's the spend spend spend liberals who are way off the mainstream. You really do live in a bubble.

Don't waste your time on theoriticians ...... they never met a payroll, but they love sipping wine and talking about spending other people's money.

QuakerOats;1518065 wrote:Don't waste your time on theoriticians ...... they never met a payroll, but they love sipping wine and talking about spending other people's money.

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