ernest_t_bass;1515332 wrote:I'm actually (literally) starting to get scared of the direction in which our country (government) is heading.

I felt that way about 15 years ago.

dlazz;1515341 wrote:I felt that way about 15 years ago.

I've never felt this scared for an actual government takeover.

The biggest turn was the passage of the PATRIOT Act which threw away ones right to privacy.

It's been all downhill from there

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Devils Advocate;1515297 wrote:Yes, Just ask the oil companies, drug companies, and the farmers....

True. It's already happening so not much will change.

Fox News correspondent @RealBenCarson: Obamacare "the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery"

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Commander of Awesome;1516486 wrote:Fox News correspondent @RealBenCarson: Obamacare "the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery"

Interesting that one has to go to a "Fox News Correspondent" to get far stretching rhetoric that is just appalling. On the other side of the aisle one must only go to the White House, the President, the Senate Majority Leader, etc.

But yeah, lets make sure to bash the Fox News Correspondent for divisive rhetoric while the highest ranking Ds are calling the Rs "arsanists, terrorists, etc".

jmog;1516508 wrote:Interesting that one has to go to a "Fox News Correspondent" to get far stretching rhetoric that is just appalling. On the other side of the aisle one must only go to the White House, the President, the Senate Majority Leader, etc.

But yeah, lets make sure to bash the Fox News Correspondent for divisive rhetoric while the highest ranking Ds are calling the Rs "arsanists, terrorists, etc".

Yeah, was thinking the same thing. It's not even news anymore when the Dems say those things now. It's so comically hypocritical how liberals love the vile rhetoric from their side, but get hugely offended at far, far less from conservatives.

Can't help but think part of the polarization in Washington is a direct reflection of the electorate. We may be doomed unless moderates take back control of the issues. Problem is moderates, almost by definition, are not outspoken or uncompromising enough to do that. Ultimately it's a failure of the media to maintain a moderate view, but that is again a reflection of the electorate - moderates are boring and don't sell.

We really do need Libertarians to become a viable 3rd party. They would likely side on social issues with Dems, and on fiscal/liberty issues with the Repubs - and from my perspective everyone wins and that would be about the right alignment/direction for the country.

gut;1516512 wrote:Yeah, was thinking the same thing. It's not even news anymore when the Dems say those things now. It's so comically hypocritical how liberals love the vile rhetoric from their side, but get hugely offended at far, far less from conservatives.

Can't help but think part of the polarization in Washington is a direct reflection of the electorate. We may be doomed unless moderates take back control of the issues. Problem is moderates, almost by definition, are not outspoken or uncompromising enough to do that. Ultimately it's a failure of the media to maintain a moderate view, but that is again a reflection of the electorate - moderates are boring and don't sell.

We really do need Libertarians to become a viable 3rd party. They would likely side on social issues with Dems, and on fiscal/liberty issues with the Repubs - and from my perspective everyone wins and that would be about the right alignment/direction for the country.

Do you have an example of a dem saying something similar to this?

gut;1516512 wrote:Yeah, was thinking the same thing. It's not even news anymore when the Dems say those things now. It's so comically hypocritical how liberals love the vile rhetoric from their side, but get hugely offended at far, far less from conservatives.

Can't help but think part of the polarization in Washington is a direct reflection of the electorate. We may be doomed unless moderates take back control of the issues. Problem is moderates, almost by definition, are not outspoken or uncompromising enough to do that. Ultimately it's a failure of the media to maintain a moderate view, but that is again a reflection of the electorate - moderates are boring and don't sell.

We really do need Libertarians to become a viable 3rd party. They would likely side on social issues with Dems, and on fiscal/liberty issues with the Repubs - and from my perspective everyone wins and that would be about the right alignment/direction for the country.

What makes you think you would agree with moderates? Your positions on fiscal issues are to the right of a majority of the nation.

jmog;1516508 wrote:Interesting that one has to go to a "Fox News Correspondent" to get far stretching rhetoric that is just appalling. On the other side of the aisle one must only go to the White House, the President, the Senate Majority Leader, etc.

But yeah, lets make sure to bash the Fox News Correspondent for divisive rhetoric while the highest ranking Ds are calling the Rs "arsanists, terrorists, etc".

"Fox News Correspondent" that conservatives were talking about as a potential presidential candidate a few months ago....

Dr Carson is a highly successful neurosurgeon, and an exceedingly articulate individual; he happens to be black also.

Coincidentally (as we all know), he was targeted by the IRS, soon after opening up about the highly destructive obamaKare.

I intend to see him speak next month at Youngstown State. Many would do well to do likewise.

Commander of Awesome;1516547 wrote:Do you have an example of a dem saying something similar to this?

Have you been paying ANY attention at all?

Between Carney, Obama and Reid they have called the Rs "terrorists, argonists" and other things.

BoatShoes;1516550 wrote:"Fox News Correspondent" that conservatives were talking about as a potential presidential candidate a few months ago....

Potention Presidential Candidate is now on the same level of the POTUS and Senate Majority Leader?

Come on boat...you are better than that.

Commander of Awesome;1516547 wrote:Do you have an example of a dem saying something similar to this?

Are you serious? Do you actually pay any attention at all to what Dems say and do? It would explain a lot...

How about Biden "they gonna put ya 'all back in chains"?

But more to the point, why do you distinguish between the slavery comment and calling people trying to restore some fiscal sanity in Washington "terrorists/ extortionists/anarchists"?

BoatShoes;1516548 wrote:What makes you think you would agree with moderates? Your positions on fiscal issues are to the right of a majority of the nation.

LMAO...You think the majority of the nation favors deficits in the hundreds of billions, trillions? Put down the crack pipe.

Agreeing with, presumably, qualified moderates is miles away from being "to the right of" some imagined "majority", and one that is mostly ignorant on these issues.

jmog;1516557 wrote:Potention Presidential Candidate is now on the same level of the POTUS and Senate Majority Leader?

Come on boat...you are better than that.

You're acting like he's not a prominent voice in public affairs. The conservative movement practically engaged in auto-fellatio when he started lecturing Obummer on the National Day of Prayer or whatever. Right Wing republicans in Congress cast the first stone from day 1 with over the top rhetoric about Obama and now they don't like that the democrats are playing the game too and have begun QQing about divisive rhetoric. I think it's sad but this is where we're at now.

gut;1516564 wrote:LMAO...You think the majority of the nation favors deficits in the hundreds of billions, trillions? Put down the crack pipe.

Agreeing with, presumably, qualified moderates is miles away from being "to the right of" some imagined "majority", and one that is mostly ignorant on these issues.

The majority of the nation is to the left of Bowles Simpson which is the moderate, beltway, Very Serious People crowd and your positions on taxes and entitlements are solidly to the right of Bowles Simpson. You are not a moderate in our political system just like I am not. You are a right wing fiscal conservative. Sorry.

Whether these positions are "right" or not, moderate Americans are supportive of higher income taxes on the rich for example and support the large social insurance programs Medicare and Social Security and don't desire to see those cut or substantially altered. They are basicall supportive of Barack Obama's moderate positions despite you and other right wing conservatives attempting to paint them as far left.

higher income taxes on the rich, hasn't that crap been played out? Fucking christ, you could tax the rich at 100% and not have enough money to run the government for 1 year. Get over it. If you want to increase taxes, everyone is going to have to share the burden. You can't continue to blast the rich as not paying their "fair" share and hope that they can fix the mess we are in. I'm so sick and tired of seeing your continued posts with your head shoved so far up Obama's ass that you are eating his brain, I don't know why I ever took you off of ignore. Bye bye.

BoatShoes;1516711 wrote:You are not a moderate in our political system just like I am not.

I have doubts you really know what my politics are - and I don't know how many times I've explained this. You continue to demonstrate an inability to understand what people are saying, learn from them, and remember what has been said. You assume most people on here that rail against unbridled keynesian economics are right wing conservatives. You would be wrong. That's just a reflex argument of yours, typical of liberals.

I'm pretty much down the middle of people that actually know enough about this stuff to make money. Obama a moderate - how can you expect to be taken seriously with statements like that?

And the majority of America knows virtually nothing of economics and most struggle with basic financial management. I wouldn't be citing the majority to bolster my arguments here. I don't want to cut SS and Medicare, either, and I don't want to raise FICA to cover it. But I live in reality. Even Obama agrees we need reform there, so according to you he's a conservative.

jmog;1516556 wrote:Have you been paying ANY attention at all?

Between Carney, Obama and Reid they have called the Rs "terrorists, argonists" and other things.

Are you serious? Labeled them as "argonists"????? I think that crosses the line. I'm done with the democrats. This is just too much.

cruiser_96;1516885 wrote:Are you serious? Labeled them as "argonists"????? I think that crosses the line. I'm done with the democrats. This is just too much.

There's nothing worse than argony. lol

Commander of Awesome;1516486 wrote:Fox News correspondent @RealBenCarson: Obamacare "the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery"

What an idiotic statement.

Jim Crow (not laws, but a way of life), Great Depression, Watergate, Vietnam, Gas crisis, Iran hostage crisis all were worse.
Law wise, how about Prohibition, or even for you conservatives, is this worse than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or even Roe v. Wade?

He is just a political hack trying to score points. Stop with the rhetoric, it accomplishes nothing.

Watergate is worse, eh? Tell us how many people died during this scandal? Now tell us how many have died during Fast n Furious? How many died in Benghazi? Oh wait...those aren't scandals, are they?