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Oct 9, 2013 10:57 AM
Commander of Awesome;1515408 wrote:Shread and groves back at practice today. Winn still idle.
Hearing Sheard should play.
Oct 9, 2013 10:57am
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Oct 9, 2013 11:14 AM
BR1986FB;1515410 wrote:Hearing Sheard should play.
This would be huge, even at like 90%.
Oct 9, 2013 11:14am
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Oct 9, 2013 12:23 PM
BR1986FB;1515427 wrote:How in the blue Hell is Pittsburgh's line THAT far ahead of the Browns? LOL....kind of taking a shot to their cred rating that O-Line that high.
Its a joke is what it is.

The steelers OL is so bad that they traded for a guy last week who was just as horrible! To make matters worse, the OL, brown, was in Az with Haley and they hated each other then.

They can come up with their matrices and shit but the steelers OL above the browns doesnt pass the smell test
Oct 9, 2013 12:23pm
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Oct 9, 2013 12:26 PM
thavoice;1515449 wrote:Its a joke is what it is.

The steelers OL is so bad that they traded for a guy last week who was just as horrible! To make matters worse, the OL, brown, was in Az with Haley and they hated each other then.

They can come up with their matrices and shit but the steelers OL above the browns doesnt pass the smell test
And I'm not saying the Browns O-Line is anything to write home about but Roethlisberger is constantly running for his life. Granted, the Browns can't run the ball but neither can Pittsburgh.
Oct 9, 2013 12:26pm
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Oct 9, 2013 12:42 PM
Browns O-Line has looked much better in weeks 3-5 than the first two weeks.
Oct 9, 2013 12:42pm
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Oct 9, 2013 12:44 PM
like_that;1515460 wrote:Browns O-Line has looked much better in weeks 3-5 than the first two weeks.
A lot of that had to do with Hoyer. He gets rid of it a lot quicker than Weeden. Same can probably be said for Pittsburgh's O-Line. They aren't that good but TheRapist's "holding on to the ball too long/extending plays" makes them look worse than they are (kind of like Weeden being a statue).
Oct 9, 2013 12:44pm
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Oct 9, 2013 12:46 PM
I hope the Julio jones injury doesn't force Atlanta to make a move for josh Gordon

We have trade history with Atlanta but I doubt they feel good about their playoff chances this year with the saints at 5-0.
Oct 9, 2013 12:46pm
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Oct 9, 2013 12:46 PM
BR1986FB;1515462 wrote:A lot of that had to do with Hoyer. He gets rid of it a lot quicker than Weeden. Same can probably be said for Pittsburgh's O-Line. They aren't that good but TheRapist's "holding on to the ball too long/extending plays" makes them look worse than they are (kind of like Weeden being a statue).
BR has always held the ball too long, but you take the good with the bad as he has made so many plays that way. Rushing the ball...worst start in their history. They been benching guys, rotating diff spots trying to find something but man are they horrible.
Oct 9, 2013 12:46pm
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Oct 9, 2013 1:03 PM
SportsAndLady;1515463 wrote:I hope the Julio jones injury doesn't force Atlanta to make a move for josh Gordon

We have trade history with Atlanta but I doubt they feel good about their playoff chances this year with the saints at 5-0.
Don't think you'll have to worry about that. The second part of your last sentence said it all....not making the playoffs
Oct 9, 2013 1:03pm
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Oct 9, 2013 1:39 PM
BR1986FB;1515462 wrote:A lot of that had to do with Hoyer. He gets rid of it a lot quicker than Weeden. Same can probably be said for Pittsburgh's O-Line. They aren't that good but TheRapist's "holding on to the ball too long/extending plays" makes them look worse than they are (kind of like Weeden being a statue).
This is true, but I also think they looked better as a unit (than week 1 and 2) even when Weeden was in.
SportsAndLady;1515463 wrote:I hope the Julio jones injury doesn't force Atlanta to make a move for josh Gordon

We have trade history with Atlanta but I doubt they feel good about their playoff chances this year with the saints at 5-0.
We all need to stop worrying about Josh being traded. It's not going to happen, especially to Atlanta.

1. They aren't going to make an in season trade when they are already 1-4.

2. When all WR's are healthy they would have Gordon, Jones, and White. No team needs that many "#1s" on their team. They def wouldn't want to pay all those guys either.
Oct 9, 2013 1:39pm
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Oct 9, 2013 1:46 PM
I think this off season we have to see an overhaul at the OG position. Its clear to me, that Greco, Lauvo, Pinkston, and Cousins (lol) dont have what it takes. Even Greco has been a let down for me thus far. Lauvo was solid in pass but pathetic in run blocking. This is based on my own eyes, PFT grades, and what I read from ppl I respect (Sobo, etc..). There's been talk of moving Schwartz to RG and then we need a new RT. Fine by me, as IMO he's been nothing to write home about this season at RT. I expect a much improved line next season.
Oct 9, 2013 1:46pm
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Oct 9, 2013 1:51 PM
Commander of Awesome;1515490 wrote:I think this off season we have to see an overhaul at the OG position. Its clear to me, that Greco, Lauvo, Pinkston, and Cousins (lol) dont have what it takes. Even Greco has been a let down for me thus far. Lauvo was solid in pass but pathetic in run blocking. This is based on my own eyes, PFT grades, and what I read from ppl I respect (Sobo, etc..). There's been talk of moving Schwartz to RG and then we need a new RT. Fine by me, as IMO he's been nothing to write home about this season at RT. I expect a much improved line next season.
I know it's a passing league but you HAVE to be able to run the ball. Even Thomas sucks as a run blocker. He's more finesse/technician than pure brute. They need a mauling guard on the right side so they're not so predictable (left centric).

It was pathetic against Buffalo that they had to try it that many times to finally get McGahee in the end zone. It shouldn't be that difficult.
Oct 9, 2013 1:51pm
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Oct 9, 2013 1:56 PM
GTFO with the Joe GOAThomas bashing. According to PFT he's actually a great run blocker. Eyes don't lie, his rookie season Jamal Fucking Lewis avg something like 7 yds a carry running behind him.
Oct 9, 2013 1:56pm
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Oct 9, 2013 2:07 PM
No, he's not. If I need a few yards running the ball, I'm not relying on him to open that hole. He's a technician, a finesse LT. He's not an Ogden, Pace, Roaf or Munoz who's just going to smash you in the face to guarantee you get that yardage. He's a very good pass blocker but run? Meh....and after seeing the comparison of Pittsburgh vs Cleveland's O-Line using PFT's "metrics", I don't hold a lot of stock in their assessments. The god-like status some people give him is laughable.
Oct 9, 2013 2:07pm
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Oct 9, 2013 2:12 PM
BR1986FB;1515503 wrote:No, he's not. If I need a few yards running the ball, I'm not relying on him to open that hole. He's a technician, a finesse LT. He's not an Ogden, Pace, Roaf or Munoz who's just going to smash you in the face to guarantee you get that yardage. He's a very good pass blocker but run? Meh....and after seeing the comparison of Pittsburgh vs Cleveland's O-Line using PFT's "metrics", I don't hold a lot of stock in their assessments. The god-like status some people give him is laughable.

Whenever they run behind JT, there is success. You can't continously run behind the same person and expect the defense not to catch on. Also, in short yardage situation, why would you be running off or behind the tackle anyway? You need a quick yard, and thats sure as hell not the way to go.

I completely disagree with you. JT is the best lineman in the NFL hands down.
Oct 9, 2013 2:12pm
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Oct 9, 2013 2:13 PM
BR1986FB;1515503 wrote:No, he's not. If I need a few yards running the ball, I'm not relying on him to open that hole.

If you only need a few yds, you're not running behind the tackle regardless BR. Unless you're patty fucking shurmrur, then you had the ball to Armond Smith on a sweep while Hillis/Trish is on the bench. Come on BR, you're better than.

Also Joe Thomas is the best lineman in the league, it's not even debatable.

6× Pro Bowl (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012) No other lineman can even claim 4 time pro bowler in that time span.

Yeah STFU on the Joe Thomas nonsense.
Oct 9, 2013 2:13pm
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Oct 9, 2013 2:19 PM
Alright, can we move on from the JT talk? If there is one position we don't need to worry about it would easily be LT lol. I expect the line to be improved next year, but I don't think it will need a major overhaul as COA suggested. Hell, I think it already has been improving since week the beggining of week 3.

Speaking of line, isn't one of the tackles for the lions injured? That should bode well for pass rush. The front 7 is going to need to get to Stafford quickly and often.
Oct 9, 2013 2:19pm
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Oct 9, 2013 2:35 PM
Thomas is NOT a strong run blocker.
Oct 9, 2013 2:35pm
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Oct 9, 2013 3:23 PM
I agree with you on this BR. Thomas is an average run blocker but the best in the business in pass protection.
Oct 9, 2013 3:23pm
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Oct 9, 2013 3:25 PM
Crimson streak;1515548 wrote:I agree with you on this BR. Thomas is an average run blocker but the best in the business in pass protection.
Without a doubt. I'm not "poo pooing" his overall O-Line skills. He's a future HOFer but his run blocking is not dominant.
Oct 9, 2013 3:25pm
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Oct 9, 2013 3:31 PM
Sorry, but it you are an average run blocker but great pass blocker that makes you a slight above average player. JT is much better than slightly above average.
Oct 9, 2013 3:31pm
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Oct 9, 2013 3:34 PM
like_that;1515554 wrote:Sorry, but it you are an average run blocker but great pass blocker that makes you a slight above average player. JT is much better than slightly above average.
Who said he was "slightly above average?" He's the best LT in the league and a future HOFer. His run blocking skills just aren't dominant. God forbid anyone say anything criticizing JT's game. You'd think he was the greatest of all time, which he's NOT.
Oct 9, 2013 3:34pm
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Oct 9, 2013 3:34 PM
SMH thought we had moved on. Jeo Thomas is the best olineman in the NFL and that's even debatable. Stats don't lie. Not sure why we're debating his run blocking skills. 6 yrs in the League, 6 pro bowls. No other current NFL lineman can claim that. I couldn't find one that could even claim 5 straight probowls. Stopped GAF after that. Joe Thomas pwns /discussion.
Oct 9, 2013 3:34pm