BR1986FB;1512601 wrote:Turner is going to have to dumb down the offense. In Weeden's good games last year, we also had a solid running game or at least we kept the opponents honest. Last night on that 70+ yard, 14 play drive where McGahee ran it in, there were 9 McGahee runs with a few passes. If they are going to be successful, with Weeden, THAT is the formula. If he has to pass it 40+ times in a game, we shouldn't expect positive results.

This team is set up like Pittsburgh & Baltimore were in Roethlisberger & Flacco's rookie seasons minus the strong running game. The defense will keep you in it. Just try to establish the run and manage the game. Weeden may not win it for them but for god sakes, don't lose it.

Agreed, they need to take the outcome of the game out of Weeden's hands and put it into the defense's hands. Mix in a few deep passes with a consistent running game (even if it's 3 yards at a time) and play-action. I feel like we don't utilize play-action nearly enough, and with teams bringing pressure, that could take a lot of the pressure off.

As for Weeden, he's got to learn to be decisive. Read and react. Not read, think, pat, and react. If he wants this to be HIS team, he's going to have to perform better, because the team looked disheartened when he entered the game. He MUST improve in order to keep the team's confidence up. THAT is on his shoulders and no one else's.

As for the line, they need to block for Weeden like they did for Hoyer. I know Hoyer gets rid of the ball much quicker, but it appeared as if they were giving less effort when Weeden entered the game. It's got to be consistent at all times. One last thought, Schwartz isn't very good. We better be looking for another tackle in the draft.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1512610 wrote:Agreed, they need to take the outcome of the game out of Weeden's hands and put it into the defense's hands. Mix in a few deep passes with a consistent running game (even if it's 3 yards at a time) and play-action. I feel like we don't utilize play-action nearly enough, and with teams bringing pressure, that could take a lot of the pressure off.

As for Weeden, he's got to learn to be decisive. Read and react. Not read, think, pat, and react. If he wants this to be HIS team, he's going to have to perform better, because the team looked disheartened when he entered the game. He MUST improve in order to keep the team's confidence up. THAT is on his shoulders and no one else's.

As for the line, they need to block for Weeden like they did for Hoyer. I know Hoyer gets rid of the ball much quicker, but it appeared as if they were giving less effort when Weeden entered the game. It's got to be consistent at all times. One last thought, Schwartz isn't very good. We better be looking for another tackle in the draft.

Unfortunately weeden is so slow with the PA, he typically gets sacked on any PA.

BR, Turner shouldn't have to dumb down anything.

My point has nothing to do with Weeden's functionality within our offense, it's his functionality within ANY offense. A QB who waits too long to get rid of the ball will fail in any system. Not because he's not up to the task, but because you can't win games without sustaining drives, and you can't sustain drives without accurately getting the ball to receivers quickly on a blitzing third down.

Hoyer was fantastic at doing that. I have to look up the timing stats that someone reported but from watching the Coaches All-22, it's very apparent that the biggest upgrade Hoyer brought was at sustaining drives, via the 3rd down pickup.

Weeden is one of, if not the, worst third down quarterbacks in the entire league. It's solely because of his incompetence on third down that I have no faith in the Browns going forward with him as our QB.

Fuck it, bring in Freeman. Weeden is so bad. Awesome win though!

ohiobucks1;1512608 wrote:We have to call Freeman, or try to make a trade for a QB if Hoyer is out of the year. We can't give up on this Defense by putting Weeden out there. He's fucking horrible.

If you think Freeman or another QB is going to come in and be the savior, you're fooling yourself. Weeden's likely not the answer but it's going to take a QB, not already on the roster, a minimum of 3-4 weeks to get up to speed.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1512610 wrote:
As for the line, they need to block for Weeden like they did for Hoyer. I know Hoyer gets rid of the ball much quicker, but it appeared as if they were giving less effort when Weeden entered the game.

Not to sound like a know-it-all (no pun intended with your username lol) but there wasn't a noticeable difference on the coaches film between games 1-2 and 3-4 in terms of the offensive line in pass protection.

It was "improved" because Hoyer made quick, accurate decisions and didn't hold on to the ball long enough for defensive lines to get through like Weeden does.

Solid notes from pluto http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_browns_scribbles_the.html#incart_flyout_sports

You know what else was fun to watch, was how hyped this team was all game. A big play happens and the whole sideline was pumped. A couple first down passes and I saw Kruger running from the sideline to slap the player in the helmet. I love seeing that from defensive players.

BR1986FB;1512621 wrote:If you think Freeman or another QB is going to come in and be the savior, you're fooling yourself. Weeden's likely not the answer but it's going to take a QB, not already on the roster, a minimum of 3-4 weeks to get up to speed.

But you can dumb down an offense with a freshly brought in competent QB. Obviously from what was shown the past 2 1/4 seasons, we don't know if Freeman is that type of QB.

What we do know about Freeman is that he's had a very very good season in the league, something no other QB on our roster has had.

lhslep134;1512616 wrote: A QB who waits too long to get rid of the ball will fail in any system. .

Weeden occasionally throws a nice ball. Most of the time he's a half second too slow, which is an eternity in the NFL.

lhslep134;1512623 wrote:
It was "improved" because Hoyer made quick, accurate decisions and didn't hold on to the ball long enough for defensive lines to get through like Weeden does.

word

Rotinaj;1512617 wrote:Fuck it, bring in Freeman. Weeden is so bad. Awesome win though!

I hope they do it.

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=874184-browns-no-interest-in-josh-freeman

Means he'll be signed by Monday.

BR1986FB;1512621 wrote:If you think Freeman or another QB is going to come in and be the savior, you're fooling yourself. Weeden's likely not the answer but it's going to take a QB, not already on the roster, a minimum of 3-4 weeks to get up to speed.

Not looking for a savior, looking for someone, ANYONE, who isn't Weeden. Word on the street is his Alzheimer's has been getting worse and worse.

FYI

[h=5]Terry Pluto
[/h][h=5]Browns say Hoyer has a "knee sprain," and they will know more later,[/h]

said_aouita;1512626 wrote: Most of the time he's a half second too slow

.7 too slow

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/382151229079445504

lhslep134;1512633 wrote:.7 too slow

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/382151229079445504

nice post.

. 7 reps. : thumbup:

all I know it's enough time for me to scream "throw it!" at the tv.

Browns defense is good enough to keep them in games but they still need to score points.....[thx Capt Obv] If they can sign Freeman for cheap I think it's a good idea.

like_that;1512632 wrote:FYI

Terry Pluto


Browns say Hoyer has a "knee sprain," and they will know more later,

Hope this is all it is but I'm not holding my breath.

By the way, I forgot to say this.


Brian Hoyer GO &$^& YOURSELF FOR NOT KNOWING HOW TO SLIDE!!!

It's so damn fundamental and easy to do. I was at the grocery store getting beer and on the phone with my dad when the injury happened and my dad made it seem like the hit had something to do with it.

Just watched the video like 20 minutes ago. Are you kidding me?!?! So infuriating.

BR1986FB;1512621 wrote:If you think Freeman or another QB is going to come in and be the savior, you're fooling yourself. Weeden's likely not the answer but it's going to take a QB, not already on the roster, a minimum of 3-4 weeks to get up to speed.

I dont think he will come in and be the savior, but I KNOW (from what I've seen) that this team isn't making the playoffs with Brandon Weeden as it's starting QB. I don't expect Freeman to come in here and be a savior. But I expect him to be better than Weeden and for that, I think we should sign him.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1512610 wrote:As for Weeden, he's got to learn to be decisive. Read and react. Not read, think, pat, and react. If he wants this to be HIS team, he's going to have to perform better, because the team looked disheartened when he entered the game. He MUST improve in order to keep the team's confidence up. THAT is on his shoulders and no one else's.

As for the line, they need to block for Weeden like they did for Hoyer. I know Hoyer gets rid of the ball much quicker, but it appeared as if they were giving less effort when Weeden entered the game. It's got to be consistent at all times. One last thought, Schwartz isn't very good. We better be looking for another tackle in the draft.

lhslep134;1512623 wrote:Not to sound like a know-it-all (no pun intended with your username lol) but there wasn't a noticeable difference on the coaches film between games 1-2 and 3-4 in terms of the offensive line in pass protection.

It was "improved" because Hoyer made quick, accurate decisions and didn't hold on to the ball long enough for defensive lines to get through like Weeden does.

I hear you, lhslep. Hence, my previous post that you quoted stating that he's got to get rid of the ball quicker, but even the announcers last night made a comment about the line play changing when Weeden came in. It is also possible that Hoyer made checks to put the team in better situations, whereas Weeden is less experienced and seems to be mentally slow when it comes to processing information IMO.

You guys are delusional if you think Freeman can come in after 5 games have been played, learn the browns' playbook, and lead them to a playoff appearance.

lhslep134;1512638 wrote:By the way, I forgot to say this.


Brian Hoyer GO &$^& YOURSELF FOR NOT KNOWING HOW TO SLIDE!!!

It's so damn fundamental and easy to do. I was at the grocery store getting beer and on the phone with my dad when the injury happened and my dad made it seem like the hit had something to do with it.

Just watched the video like 20 minutes ago. Are you kidding me?!?! So infuriating.

the hit did have something to do with it.

Still would have been avoided if he knew how to slide

The line doesn't stop trying for one QB and play hard for another QB. The QB makes the line look good or terrible by audibles, decisions, movement within pocket and accurate throws. Hoyer > Weeden on all accounts.

ohiobucks1;1512639 wrote:I dont think he will come in and be the savior, but I KNOW (from what I've seen) that this team isn't making the playoffs with Brandon Weeden as it's starting QB. I don't expect Freeman to come in here and be a savior. But I expect him to be better than Weeden and for that, I think we should sign him.

Thank you! Would read again.

Who the hell is asking for a savior? I just don't want weeden running this offense, we'll finish the season 6-10.

Freeman doesn't have to come in and be Drew brees. Just don't suck ass and were at worst 8-8.

The slide looked messed up but it wasn't the left leg that got injured. His right leg was extended and then came back at him. I think he had the right leg extended properly but the left leg was all messed up (as far as technique goes).

If Hoyer just has a sprain has pluto said, then this discussion will be moot.

like_that;1512654 wrote:If Hoyer just has a sprain has pluto said, then this discussion will be moot.

You sure that wasn't an old post from Pluto? I saw tweets from late last night where they said sprain but everything from then on out has been "potential torn ACL."

Knowitall, absolutely missed you saying Hoyer gets rid of the ball quicker, my bad.