Can we just shut the government down already?

Home ▸ Archive ▸ Politics ▸ Can we just shut the government down already?
ernest_t_bass's avatar

ernest_t_bass

12th Son of the Lama

24,984 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:21 PM
O-Trap;1512052 wrote:Based on the treatment of the Second Amendment by the current crop, it would seem so.
This was my first thought.
Oct 3, 2013 2:21pm
IggyPride00's avatar

IggyPride00

Senior Member

6,482 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:24 PM
ernest_t_bass;1512048 wrote:Dumb something down here for me... If Obamakare passes, can't the next office just repeal or change it... or even get rid of it?
The way it is written it will need 60 votes in the Senate as well as a Republican President and House.

The alternative would be to abolish the filibuster in the Senate, and then you only need a majority in both houses plus the President.

It will not be easy to get rid of.
Oct 3, 2013 2:24pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:27 PM
O-Trap;1512051 wrote: Yep. Practically creaming my Libertarian pants over it.
This could very well be the catalyst for them to emerge as a viable 3rd party. At least Rand Paul is looking a pretty strong POTUS candidate in 2016.
Oct 3, 2013 2:27pm
Q

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

7,117 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:30 PM
IggyPride00;1512057 wrote:The way it is written it will need 60 votes in the Senate as well as a Republican President and House.

The alternative would be to abolish the filibuster in the Senate, and then you only need a majority in both houses plus the President.

It will not be easy to get rid of.
Without regard to the content, passed legislation should be hard to repeal.
Oct 3, 2013 2:30pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:31 PM
gut;1512060 wrote:This could very well be the catalyst for them to emerge as a viable 3rd party. At least Rand Paul is looking a pretty strong POTUS candidate in 2016.
Honestly, I think the most exciting part is seeing people wake up about the current parties in power.

I think something pretty cool is going to happen in all of this.
Oct 3, 2013 2:31pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:33 PM
IggyPride00;1512057 wrote: The alternative would be to abolish the filibuster in the Senate...
And clearly they should not. What all this should really be teaching everyone is good governance and policy is BIPARTISAN. Even if you have the votes to avoid filibuster, the debt ceiling poses a problem when one party pushes a singular agenda.

Everyone likes to blame the filibuster and debt ceiling limit for these problems...I say they are working exactly as intended. The minority party was never intended to be a rubber stamp for the majority agenda, even if Reid/Pelosi/Obama believe otherwise.
Oct 3, 2013 2:33pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:39 PM
O-Trap;1512064 wrote:Honestly, I think the most exciting part is seeing people wake up about the current parties in power.

I think something pretty cool is going to happen in all of this.
I don't know. Maybe. I think a lot of Republicans already woke-up during the Bush years. It still seems like a lot of liberals are drinking the kool-aid and blindly supporting their dear leaders.

I think it was '92 when Perot/Stockdale ran against this "gridlock". And it still wasn't anything like today. But I fear a Libertarian party likely would create a large Democratic plurality. Might be better than what we have today
Oct 3, 2013 2:39pm
IggyPride00's avatar

IggyPride00

Senior Member

6,482 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:39 PM
Reports of shots fired at Capital Hill.

Liberal blogs are going nuts right now over it.
RT @mattyglesias: Capitol Police responding to shooting incident are working without pay today.
Oct 3, 2013 2:39pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:45 PM
IggyPride00;1512072 wrote:Reports of shots fired at Capital Hill.

Liberal blogs are going nuts right now over it.
I thought Washington, DC was a gun-free zone. :huh:
Oct 3, 2013 2:45pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:46 PM
O-Trap;1512075 wrote:I thought Washington, DC was a gun-free zone. :huh:
Someone tried to crash the gates at the WH in a car.

Might as well start a new thread. I'm sure this is a false-flag operation...100 to 1 it's a Tea Party nutbag :)
Oct 3, 2013 2:46pm
W

WebFire

Go Bucks!

14,779 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:47 PM
IggyPride00;1512072 wrote:Reports of shots fired at Capital Hill.

Liberal blogs are going nuts right now over it.
Which makes me wonder why they are responding?
Oct 3, 2013 2:47pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:50 PM
WebFire;1512080 wrote:Which makes me wonder why they are responding?
Probably some whackjob that thought with the govt "shutdown" he'd be able to just waltz into the WH.
Oct 3, 2013 2:50pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:50 PM
gut;1512077 wrote:Someone tried to crash the gates at the WH in a car.

Might as well start a new thread. I'm sure this is a false-flag operation...100 to 1 it's a Tea Party nutbag :)
No way I'm taking those odds. I agree with you.
Oct 3, 2013 2:50pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:55 PM
O-Trap;1512084 wrote:No way I'm taking those odds. I agree with you.
Even if the suspect never heard of the Tea Party, that suspect will end-up "having been" a Tea Party flag bearer. Guar-an-teed
Oct 3, 2013 2:55pm
Me?'s avatar

Me?

Senior Member

547 posts
Oct 3, 2013 2:59 PM
No false flag, just some lunatic. Doesn't mean they won't try to say the person is a Tea Partier, but no false flag. Nothing happened, really. If it was, they would have either gotten through the gates to the White House or never tried. People who are programmed or instructed to do things like that are thinking rationally. No rational brain could ever think you could just drive a car through the gates of the White House as if they never considered someone doing that and built some weak ass gate.
Oct 3, 2013 2:59pm
IggyPride00's avatar

IggyPride00

Senior Member

6,482 posts
Oct 3, 2013 3:06 PM
On Day Three of a partial government shutdown, the Senate got off to a snippy start as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid elevated Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) as the new “joint speaker” of the House of Representatives.


Reid, a Nevada Democrat, was referring to the Republican-led House’s new tactic of passing piecemeal funding bills to fund agencies such as the National Institutes of Health.

The House leadership “is following Cruz’s idea specifically,” Reid said. “Sen. Cruz is now joint speaker. He lectures the House on occasion, as he does people over here.”
“We’re not going to give a blank check to the junior senator from Texas to pick his favorite person in government on a daily basis. Today it’s the parks. Tomorrow it’s NIH. Maybe later it will be something else,” Reid continued.
Dingey Harry is coming unhinged.

This was from his floor speech in the Senate today.[LEFT]

[/LEFT]
Oct 3, 2013 3:06pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 3:16 PM
IggyPride00;1512102 wrote:Dingey Harry is coming unhinged.

This was from his floor speech in the Senate today.
Still hard to tell who's winning this pissing contest. Dems are kind of getting outflanked - while I agree you shouldn't piecemeal funding govt, not only has that sort of been the status quo the past 5 years but it's also hard to point fingers for a shutdown when you're the one who's dug in shutting down the govt over Obamakare.

This all goes back to one simple fact: if Obamakare was popular, if it was good policy (as written) and if it had been passed with bipartisan support...none of this would be happening.
Oct 3, 2013 3:16pm
Me?'s avatar

Me?

Senior Member

547 posts
Oct 3, 2013 3:17 PM
Ted Cruz is winning.
Oct 3, 2013 3:17pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Oct 3, 2013 3:20 PM
gut;1512113 wrote:This all goes back to one simple fact: if Obamakare was popular, if it was good policy (as written) and if it had been passed with bipartisan support...none of this would be happening.
Yes, but if the ACA was good policy, then the Federal branches of government wouldn't be so opposed to subjecting themselves to it.
Oct 3, 2013 3:20pm
G

gut

Senior Member

15,058 posts
Oct 3, 2013 3:24 PM
Me?;1512114 wrote:Ted Cruz is winning.
I'd really like Republicans to just say "we need to reduce spending...Obamakare is a new entitlement we can't afford and it is bad legislation...as such, it's a good place to start with spending cuts"

Maybe what Obama is really saying by threatening default is he's not giving in on Obamakare or ANY spending cuts. And I fully believe Obama will allow a default if he believes that will give Dems the 2014 elections. He tried that with the sequester - he believes if Americans feel pain and, with a complicit liberal media, he can make them blame Repubs for that the Dems gain political capital.
Oct 3, 2013 3:24pm
IggyPride00's avatar

IggyPride00

Senior Member

6,482 posts
Oct 3, 2013 3:32 PM
One of the great mysteries of the current budget crisis is why Republicans did not declare victory and pass a continuing resolution last week funding government through the end of the year.

The resolution that is at the root of this crisis already establishes sequestration-level funding that President Obama and Senate Democrats have repeatedly said is unacceptably low but which they were willing to swallow in order to avoid a government shutdown. That is the kind of compromise that, under normal circumstances, Republicans should celebrate.

They got Democrats to accept a continuation of drastic, across-the-board spending cuts that are anathema to the president and his base. And yet members of the Tea Party, from Senator Ted Cruz to Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, have driven the Republican Party so far though the looking glass that even a compromise that so greatly favored their side has not been enough.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/03/republicans-have-already-won-so-why-wont-compromise/

This is from Fox News, and a terrific take on why this shutdown is misguided.
Oct 3, 2013 3:32pm
justincredible's avatar

justincredible

Nick Mangold

32,056 posts
Oct 3, 2013 4:17 PM
Obama makes the case against a union strike:

[video=youtube;HEHKBqlpYwM][/video]
Oct 3, 2013 4:17pm
Belly35's avatar

Belly35

Elderly Intellectual

9,716 posts
Oct 3, 2013 4:19 PM
Has the Michelle Obama 1.9M staff been cut yet.... you can only do so much, with so little
Oct 3, 2013 4:19pm
Belly35's avatar

Belly35

Elderly Intellectual

9,716 posts
Oct 3, 2013 4:24 PM
justincredible;1512148 wrote:Obama makes the case against a union strike:

[video=youtube;HEHKBqlpYwM][/video]
Hey mofo! Obama I paid taxes for a service called the Federal Goverment, it now shutdown .... pro-rate my fucking taxes you dick until what I've paid for is fucking working.... stupid mofo...
Oct 3, 2013 4:24pm
IggyPride00's avatar

IggyPride00

Senior Member

6,482 posts
Oct 3, 2013 4:29 PM
Belly35;1512149 wrote:Has the Michelle Obama 1.9M staff been cut yet.... you can only do so much, with so little
Erick Erickson from red state reported today that only 15 of the White House's usual 90 personal servant staff have been allowed to continue working.

In non-shutdown times that equates to 22.5 public servants per Obama family member.
Oct 3, 2013 4:29pm