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MontyBrunswick
Sep 18, 2013 11:59am
And Belly, normally I give you a hard time because you react in an idiotic/incoherent way and I think it's funny, but I will ridicule you for real now:
This is not the thread to push your stupid gun/political agenda. Go fuck yourself.
This is not the thread to push your stupid gun/political agenda. Go fuck yourself.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 18, 2013 12:48pm
Pretty much this. For the record, the security guy at the front gate is armed and he ended up losing his life anyway.dlazz;1502938 wrote:And Belly, normally I give you a hard time because you react in an idiotic/incoherent way and I think it's funny, but I will ridicule you for real now:
This is not the thread to push your stupid gun/political agenda. Go fuck yourself.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Sep 18, 2013 1:07pm
The first few always will because of the element of surprise.sleeper;1502978 wrote:Pretty much this. For the record, the security guy at the front gate is armed and he ended up losing his life anyway.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 18, 2013 1:25pm
Sleeper I understand the emotional roller coaster you are on .. the lose of friends and just simple people you meet every day as passing friendship is difficult sometimes to cope with.
What ridicules is because of Bill Clinton our military base have one line of defense the front gate, what kind of stupid is that, after breaching the front gate it is open season before a response team can react. It’s a military base dip shit and should be protected at all time with MPs with weapons locked and loaded, trained soldiers with weapons doing their duty or training others. If you’re an Officer you should be packing you’re in the military take the responsibility to Protect and Serve.
What ridicules is because of Bill Clinton our military base have one line of defense the front gate, what kind of stupid is that, after breaching the front gate it is open season before a response team can react. It’s a military base dip shit and should be protected at all time with MPs with weapons locked and loaded, trained soldiers with weapons doing their duty or training others. If you’re an Officer you should be packing you’re in the military take the responsibility to Protect and Serve.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 18, 2013 1:37pm
This is false. This military base has a checkpoint at the front gate and each building has an armed guard stationed at the entrance. The area is also patrolled by police dog teams. You also need to note that although this is technically a military base, it's mostly administrative. I don't see how having soldiers walking around with machine guns would have prevented this from happening. I don't believe there is an easy way to stop the crazies.Belly35;1503009 wrote:Sleeper I understand the emotional roller coaster you are on .. the lose of friends and just simple people you meet every day as passing friendship is difficult sometimes to cope with.
What ridicules is because of Bill Clinton our military base have one line of defense the front gate, what kind of stupid is that, after breaching the front gate it is open season before a response team can react. It’s a military base dip shit and should be protected at all time with MPs with weapons locked and loaded, trained soldiers with weapons doing their duty or training others. If you’re an Officer you should be packing you’re in the military take the responsibility to Protect and Serve.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Sep 18, 2013 1:46pm
MP's are just like regular police officers that you see around your towns. They cannot be everywhere.
Having random other soldiers walking around with machine guns? Not sure that really is gonna work either just like I think having some armed teachers wont help a whole lot. Unless they are absolutely EVERYWHERE it isnt going to be a whole lot of a deterrant becuase the people who do this shit are fucking crazy anyways.
Having random other soldiers walking around with machine guns? Not sure that really is gonna work either just like I think having some armed teachers wont help a whole lot. Unless they are absolutely EVERYWHERE it isnt going to be a whole lot of a deterrant becuase the people who do this shit are fucking crazy anyways.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Sep 18, 2013 2:59pm
Thissleeper;1503018 wrote:This is false. This military base has a checkpoint at the front gate and each building has an armed guard stationed at the entrance. The area is also patrolled by police dog teams. You also need to note that although this is technically a military base, it's mostly administrative. I don't see how having soldiers walking around with machine guns would have prevented this from happening. I don't believe there is an easy way to stop the crazies.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 18, 2013 3:12pm
I haven't read many of the reports of the shooting, but how in the hell is one guy able to take out so many ppl at a military base? I would think a military base is on the short list for the worst places to go on a shooting spree.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Sep 18, 2013 3:28pm
Ya would think, but there are so many civilian contractors there. I have been on enough bases to see how something like that could happen.Commander of Awesome;1503111 wrote:I haven't read many of the reports of the shooting, but how in the hell is one guy able to take out so many ppl at a military base? I would think a military base is on the short list for the worst places to go on a shooting spree.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 18, 2013 3:32pm
we agree .... There is no easy way to stop crazysleeper;1503018 wrote:This is false. This military base has a checkpoint at the front gate and each building has an armed guard stationed at the entrance. The area is also patrolled by police dog teams. You also need to note that although this is technically a military base, it's mostly administrative. I don't see how having soldiers walking around with machine guns would have prevented this from happening. I don't believe there is an easy way to stop the crazies.
i never stated machine guns, however officer with .45 or 9mm holstered would be welcome would you not agree?
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Sep 18, 2013 3:39pm
Security office did have a gun, he was shot, and it was taken from him. Derrrrrpppp go fuck yourself.Belly35;1503126 wrote:we agree .... There is no easy way to stop crazy
i never stated machine guns, however officer with .45 or 9mm holstered would be welcome would you not agree?
In a newly revised sequence of events, federal investigators said they believe Alexis cleared a security checkpoint with his contractor identification and carried a shotgun into building 197. An official said that investigators now believe that Alexis stopped in a men's room where he assembled the weapon and proceeded to site on the third or fourth floor of the building that overlooked an interior atrium.
Alexis, the official said, began firing indiscriminately on the people below with the law enforcement-style shotgun. After firing several rounds, the official said Alexis ran down a flight of stairs where he confronted and shot a security officer. It is believed that Alexis took the officer's handgun and returned to the overlook where he continued to shoot.
At some point, the official said, Alexis again left the overlook and confronted a victim described as a maintenance person or building staffer. Alexis allegedly shot that person and returned one last time to the overlook where he was ultimately killed in a confrontation with police.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Sep 18, 2013 3:45pm
Holy Shit man...sleeper;1502882 wrote:Also found out today the security guy that was always helping me with my badge access that never worked was shot and killed as well. I waved hello to him as I entered the building and will never see him again; that hit hard.
Glad you made it out.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 18, 2013 5:11pm
But wait what if there were cops with machine guns and soldiers with bazookas and dogs that shot bullets when they barked and free guns and no Obama wouldn't you guys feel safe?
/belly'd, but more legible.
/belly'd, but more legible.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Sep 18, 2013 8:02pm
I didn't believe you.
I am sorry you went through that.
I still don't like you.
I am sorry you went through that.
I still don't like you.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 18, 2013 8:24pm
Perhaps you didn't read my post; every building has an armed security guard and the campus is patrolled by police dogs. It still happened.Belly35;1503126 wrote:we agree .... There is no easy way to stop crazy
i never stated machine guns, however officer with .45 or 9mm holstered would be welcome would you not agree?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 18, 2013 8:25pm
It's only a military base IN NAME ONLY. I mean yes there is a barracks and there are some munitions but its mostly just a complex of office buildings.Commander of Awesome;1503111 wrote:I haven't read many of the reports of the shooting, but how in the hell is one guy able to take out so many ppl at a military base? I would think a military base is on the short list for the worst places to go on a shooting spree.
The security isn't bad but its not like you've got people armed to the teeth and that are on the lookout for crazies.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Sep 18, 2013 9:41pm
Damn man...sorry to hear that you had to experience something like that.
Glad you made it out OK.
Glad you made it out OK.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Sep 18, 2013 11:40pm
Just caught this Sleeper, glad you are unharmed. I see LJ didn't have the common decency to wish you well. Hang in there man and keep busting NDs balls.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Sep 19, 2013 7:41am
Belly and read are oxymorons.sleeper;1503318 wrote:Perhaps you didn't read my post; every building has an armed security guard and the campus is patrolled by police dogs. It still happened.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 19, 2013 11:58am
Man, that sucks, Sleeper. That'd be a totally freaky experience.
And I don't think Belly will stop posting here until you admit that none of this would have happened if Obama hadn't taken all our guns and then given them to the terrorists.
And I don't think Belly will stop posting here until you admit that none of this would have happened if Obama hadn't taken all our guns and then given them to the terrorists.
Me?
Posts: 547
Sep 19, 2013 1:15pm
Glad you're alright man, sorry you had to experience that.
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cat_lover
Posts: 2,388
Sep 20, 2013 11:07am
Glad you were not harmed.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Sep 22, 2013 7:59am
So I see this experience got you released from the lifetime ban to the basement too...all I'm saying is (if) you made this whole shit up to get out of the basement in time to still spread your usual assault on ND and the SEC...then KUDOS my man KUDOS!
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 24, 2013 9:27am
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 24, 2013 11:41am
Glenn Beck is for retards.ernest_t_bass;1506345 wrote:God, I hate Obama:
http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/09/23/obama-navy-yard-shooting-ought-to-lead-to-some-sort-of-transformation/
Hope this helps.