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MontyBrunswick
Sep 4, 2013 1:46pm
I'm not willing to die for anyone/anything because you're all a bunch of dbags.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Sep 4, 2013 1:51pm
Correct order should be:
1. Children
2. Country
Notice religion is not on the list.
1. Children
2. Country
Notice religion is not on the list.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 4, 2013 1:53pm
I don't see myself dying for our country in our current condition. I can't split the government from our country.WebFire;1495373 wrote:Correct order should be:
1. Children
2. Country
Notice religion is not on the list.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 4, 2013 2:13pm
What about dying for your country defending FROM your government?ernest_t_bass;1495375 wrote:I don't see myself dying for our country in our current condition. I can't split the government from our country.
/Conspiracy theory'd
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Sep 4, 2013 2:14pm
Just joining the military to do whatever the President says is not, in this case, dying for your country. But, if we were being attacked then I think many would defend. Does that change your thinking?ernest_t_bass;1495375 wrote:I don't see myself dying for our country in our current condition. I can't split the government from our country.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 4, 2013 2:16pm
I'll die for my freedom. I'll die for my countrymen.justincredible;1495385 wrote:What about dying for your country defending FROM your government?
/Conspiracy theory'd
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 4, 2013 2:16pm
See above. I'll die for my countrymen, but at this point, I will not die for the America that America has become.WebFire;1495386 wrote:Just joining the military to do whatever the President says is not, in this case, dying for your country. But, if we were being attacked then I think many would defend. Does that change your thinking?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Sep 4, 2013 2:18pm
So, if another country attacked us on our soil right now, and we needed to fight alongside our military to defend, would you do it? Your answer isn't clear.ernest_t_bass;1495391 wrote:See above. I'll die for my countrymen, but at this point, I will not die for the America that America has become.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 4, 2013 2:19pm
Yeah, I agree with this. No way in hell I'm joining the military to police the world and potentially die defending special interests. I would, however, die to defend my countrymen in the event of an attack on our soil. And I would die to defend my freedom against a tyrannical government. I consider these to be "dying for your country."WebFire;1495386 wrote:Just joining the military to do whatever the President says is not, in this case, dying for your country. But, if we were being attacked then I think many would defend. Does that change your thinking?
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 4, 2013 2:20pm
Yes, I would fight alongside our military. I would not defend one portion of our government, however. I'd surrender them to the enemy!WebFire;1495392 wrote:So, if another country attacked us on our soil right now, and we needed to fight alongside our military to defend, would you do it? Your answer isn't clear.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Sep 4, 2013 2:21pm
Right on.ernest_t_bass;1495395 wrote:Yes, I would fight alongside our military. I would not defend one portion of our government, however. I'd surrender them to the enemy!
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 4, 2013 2:22pm
Why do you hate poor people and roads?ernest_t_bass;1495395 wrote:I would not defend one portion of our government, however. I'd surrender them to the enemy!
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 4, 2013 2:25pm
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.justincredible;1495399 wrote:Why do you hate poor people and roads?
Poor people?
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 4, 2013 2:25pm
What you’re willing to die for, depended on how you want to survive.
I’m willing to die for my country (not government) because country, all those thing I deem important in my life. Without this great country of freedom, prosperity and independence I would not be who I am and enjoy the life I have. Country is where family and friends gather, where my family will grow and prosper, where freedom to voice opposition, where the independency to make choices of my own free will exists. Country is you and I and the faces, places, ideas and things around us … that what I’m willing to survive for.
Would I be will to die for religion .. No .. I would give my life for God
I’m willing to die for my country (not government) because country, all those thing I deem important in my life. Without this great country of freedom, prosperity and independence I would not be who I am and enjoy the life I have. Country is where family and friends gather, where my family will grow and prosper, where freedom to voice opposition, where the independency to make choices of my own free will exists. Country is you and I and the faces, places, ideas and things around us … that what I’m willing to survive for.
Would I be will to die for religion .. No .. I would give my life for God
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Sep 4, 2013 2:26pm
My order:
Family (not just children but my fiancé, Mom, and Brothers, Niece and Nephew.
Country - Whatever you think of our Countries current situation I'm still proud to be an American.
I would not die for reliegous as I believe in God but, I think things like the Bible and Koran are just really good fiction story books.
Family (not just children but my fiancé, Mom, and Brothers, Niece and Nephew.
Country - Whatever you think of our Countries current situation I'm still proud to be an American.
I would not die for reliegous as I believe in God but, I think things like the Bible and Koran are just really good fiction story books.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 4, 2013 2:32pm
KNEEL BEFORE GUD!!!!TedSheckler;1495369 wrote:Who is Gud?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 4, 2013 2:39pm
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Sep 4, 2013 2:58pm
Today in Afghanistan most likely a couple of Americans died. Are any of you that making this distinction btwn Govt and Country going to tell those heroes families that they died supporting a worthless Govt instead of dying for their Country?
...yeah I didn't think so either assholes.
...yeah I didn't think so either assholes.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 4, 2013 3:01pm
They ARE dying for a worthless govt., though. We need to get the f*ck out of there. We got ring leaders in Sadam and Osama. Bring 'em home.Tiernan;1495425 wrote:Today in Afghanistan most likely a couple of Americans died. Are any of you that making this distinction btwn Govt and Country going to tell those heroes families that they died supporting a worthless Govt instead of dying for their Country?
...yeah I didn't think so either assholes.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Sep 4, 2013 3:04pm
Of course we wouldn't. Doesn't mean that isn't true.Tiernan;1495425 wrote:Today in Afghanistan most likely a couple of Americans died. Are any of you that making this distinction btwn Govt and Country going to tell those heroes families that they died supporting a worthless Govt instead of dying for their Country?
...yeah I didn't think so either assholes.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 4, 2013 3:10pm
I support the troops so much that I don't want to send them to die in misguided wars for a government that no longer represents the people and I'm the asshole? Okay.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 4, 2013 3:14pm
Soldiers die because they are soldiers they understand the risk and committed to the danger, having a duty to serve their country.
Honor, pride and commitment something some of you will never comprehend because you never been forged by combat. Will to defend what you think but never really knowing what makes a man answer the Call to Duty. What is that country that soldiers are so willing to defend? … before you answer that question. Ask yourself what is Country to you and would you defend it?
Honor, pride and commitment something some of you will never comprehend because you never been forged by combat. Will to defend what you think but never really knowing what makes a man answer the Call to Duty. What is that country that soldiers are so willing to defend? … before you answer that question. Ask yourself what is Country to you and would you defend it?
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Sep 4, 2013 3:15pm
You think those guys don't know or feel when their supposed countrymen are more or less saying "hey man I support you but what you are doing is a waste."?WebFire;1495429 wrote:Of course we wouldn't. Doesn't mean that isn't true.
When they ALL finally do get home then it's time to re-examine how they got there and what they did while they were there. Until then they are America and that includes everything about America...even the Govt.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Sep 4, 2013 3:16pm
I enlisted a few years ago and will go anywhere the CIC, whomever it may be at any given time, would send us. If it would be Syria or any other place in the Middle East, so be it. If it would be Afganistan. So be it.
That is just how it is. There are a few cowards out there who enlist and try to back out. One just did a few months ago and won his hearing to not have to go. I would die for pretty much anyone except for the cowards who don't live up to their oath.
With that said...Go America, and God Bless The U.S.A
That is just how it is. There are a few cowards out there who enlist and try to back out. One just did a few months ago and won his hearing to not have to go. I would die for pretty much anyone except for the cowards who don't live up to their oath.
With that said...Go America, and God Bless The U.S.A
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Sep 4, 2013 3:24pm
Sure they can. But hell, a lot of the soldiers don't support why they are there.Tiernan;1495437 wrote:You think those guys don't know or feel when their supposed countrymen are more or less saying "hey man I support you but what you are doing is a waste."?
When they ALL finally do get home then it's time to re-examine how they got there and what they did while they were there. Until then they are America and that includes everything about America...even the Govt.