WebFire;1493464 wrote:I understand what you are saying, and there is some merit to it. However, I look at it a lot differently. In order for the "cycle" to work, you have to go through the low ranks first. What people want is to bypass the low ranks, or make the low ranks closer the to the high ranks. This actually makes your point even worse, because you either get too many people looking for high rank jobs, or you have too many people that now stay in the low ranks, meaning others can progress through.

BoatShoes;1493493 wrote:That's not what's happening here at all or in any situation wherein workers act collectively in a strike. They're trying to bargain for more than their individual marginal product for their jobs that they have now...they're not trying to sneak "up the ranks."

BoatShoes;1493486 wrote: What's a "living wage" anyway? You can stay alive on bread and tap water.

BoatShoes;1493476 wrote:LOL. You should have known what I meant. Of course you should encourage hard work and skill accumulation...but your generic view of the world that skill accumulation and hard work goes along this general world wherein people accumulate more bargaining power and will produce more per capita that generates higher incomes is a caricature of the real world.

Stop pretending like all these McDonald's workers just need to work hard and be good employees and that they will end up with living wage employment...many of them are going to be low marginal product workers their entire lives. It's simply a fact. Even if all of them were as talented and hard working as yourself.

Let's be realistic. They should stop striking and demanding more pay from their employer and get to work and do their best to be one of the few who moves on to higher marginal product work. If not, they should realize they're getting compensated commensurate with their ability and production and should not demand a "living wage" above and beyond their marginal product and reduce their standard of "living" down to the level their income can support.

BoatShoes;1493486 wrote:What's a "living wage" anyway? You can stay alive on bread and tap water.

BoatShoes;1493486 wrote:What's a "living wage" anyway? You can stay alive on bread and tap water.

majorspark;1493502 wrote:Smartphone, Ipad, cable/satellite w/ at least a 60" flat screen tv, and free health care.

majorspark;1493502 wrote:Smartphone, Ipad, cable/satellite w/ at least a 60" flat screen tv, and free health care.

majorspark;1493502 wrote:Smartphone, Ipad, cable/satellite w/ at least a 60" flat screen tv, and free health care.

iclfan2;1493534 wrote:This is my issue as well. I understand the world needs ditch diggers, but don't feed me a line of bullshit that if they make $7 an hour they can't live. I just went to the Time Warner Cable store today, it's the "1st" of the month due to the Holiday. Well holy shit, the clientele in there all paying their bill in cash from their gubment check. Some of them had a more expensive cable plan then I did! If you only make $7 an hour....Don't have kids, don't smoke, don't drink, don't have an iphone, have roommates, etc.

BoatShoes;1493552 wrote:The one on Lakeside I take it? How do you know these folks were using "gubment checks"? What gubment program in particular do you think allows folks to pay for cable? I wonder if people thought you were paying with your gubmint check.

BoatShoes;1493552 wrote:The one on Lakeside I take it? How do you know these folks were using "gubment checks"? What gubment program in particular do you think allows folks to pay for cable? I wonder if people thought you were paying with your gubmint check.

iclfan2;1493562 wrote:No, it was the one in Ohio City across from the west side market. How do I know? Because I asked the lady why it was so damn crowded and she said yea, you might not wanna ever come on the first of the month again. Same thing goes with the Steelyard Walmart. And I'm not poor, so I pay my bill on the Internet like everyone else.

QuakerOats;1493590 wrote:...

Anything to get NSA, IRS, and Benghazi out of the headlines.

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QuakerOats;1493590 wrote:One 'minor' aside: these aren't 'workers on strike' at all; these are community activist rent-a mobs parading around outside certain restaurants making fools of themselves. One franchisee said he never saw these people before. It is the Occupy crybaby crowd leaving Wall St and heading to Main St. .......no doubt at the behest of the Activist-in-Chief; it's all they know how to do.

Anything to get NSA, IRS, and Benghazi out of the headlines.

Change we can believe in...

ptown_trojans_1;1493630 wrote: Yes, the minimal wage is still too low, when taken into account the rise of other wages over time.

ptown_trojans_1;1493630 wrote:Get that conspiracy theory shit out of here.

Sage;1493689 wrote:Are you a Christian, gut?

gut;1493690 wrote:I am. Did Jesus advocate just giving people fish or teaching them to fish?