ernest_t_bass;1485275 wrote:Churches shouldn't be forced to marry them, I will say that much.

Mohican00;1485276 wrote:that's fair

No it's not. It's a bunch a BS. And you're a bigot if you honestly believe this. Get with the freakin program already. You continue this nonsense talk you'll sound like an old racist in 20 yrs.

Also ETB, as an educator, SMH. You should know better than to think like a dumb fuck back water redneck.

Also any of you "christians" want to have a conversation on this, I'm all ears. Would love to pwn you guys with your own BS bible quotes.

SportsAndLady;1485408 wrote:Guess that's what happens when you start threads on here. You get idiots like tiernan, cc, and pick6 going off subject to turn it into a member conversation instead of the actual topic.

Don't forget rmolin.

Commander of Awesome;1485522 wrote:No it's not. It's a bunch a BS. And you're a bigot if you honestly believe this. Get with the freakin program already. You continue this nonsense talk you'll sound like an old racist in 20 yrs.

Also ETB, as an educator, SMH. You should know better than to think like a dumb fuck back water redneck.

Also any of you "christians" want to have a conversation on this, I'm all ears. Would love to pwn you guys with your own BS bible quotes.

Well, given that it isn't a service that many religious institutions provide, I don't think that's particularly bigoted.

Don't get me wrong; I think same-sex couples should have every right that a different-sex couple has. However, I am not entirely sure why it would be bigoted to offer different-sex ceremonies based on conviction as opposed to same-sex ceremonies. I don't see the justification.

Tiernan;1485503 wrote:Are ghosts and the bible believed by the same people?

Sometimes. Sometimes not.

O-Trap;1485528 wrote:Well, given that it isn't a service that many religious institutions provide, I don't think that's particularly bigoted.

Don't get me wrong; I think same-sex couples should have every right that a different-sex couple has. However, I am not entirely sure why it would be bigoted to offer different-sex ceremonies based on conviction as opposed to same-sex ceremonies. I don't see the justification.

Same reason separate but equal was over turned. Not sure why segregation is illegal say with a water fountain but its fine under the disguise of religion. It's segregation in another form IMO.

Serioulsy consider it under the lens of civil rights. Think or your arguements for why gays shouldn't be able to marry, or be married in this church or that one and it's the exact same logic that people used to diuscredit the civil rights.

COA has some strong feelings on gay rights

Commander of Awesome;1485533 wrote:Same reason separate but equal was over turned. Not sure why segregation is illegal say with a water fountain but its fine under the disguise of religion. It's segregation in another form IMO.

Serioulsy consider it under the lens of civil rights. Think or your arguements for why gays shouldn't be able to marry, or be married in this church or that one and it's the exact same logic that people used to diuscredit the civil rights.

I have considered this comparison, and it's certainly worth the contemplation. However, I suggest that it isn't an accurate parallel.

The problem with seperate-but-equal is that the service is the same, and the difference by which service was determined is solely the patron.

However, consider the distinction in the following example:

Two women, with a marriage recognized by their local state, come to a church in their area. They ask the pastor if he can marry their heterosexual daughter to her fiance. He says yes.

In the example above, the service rendered is the same as they always offer, and as such, they show no prejudice based on the fact that the patrons/customers/clients/etc. are a gay couple.

Now, consider this alternative:

A heterosexual couple comes to a church in their area. They ask the pastor if he can marry their homosexual daughter to her fiance. He says no.

In this example, the service rendered is different than what they always offer, and as such, they do not offer it, despite the fact that the patrons/customers/clients/etc. are a straight couple.

In the two examples above, there is no prejudice shown based on the customer, but there is prejudice shown based on the service provided, as with any other industry.

It's a technical distinction, naturally, but it's a distinction, nonetheless.

I'm not suggesting anyone should necessarily be denied a ceremony of any kind in a given church. I'm simply suggesting that the church itself should be allowed to choose what services they offer and what services they do not offer.



The thing about the above is that it doesn't deny anyone anything according to their identity. It merely doesn't endorse a particular action. I daresay that therein lies an important and real distinction between the seperate-but-equal problem and the current distinction between same-sex and different-sex weddings.

1. The refusal or acceptance of the job is contingent on the job itself, and not necessarily the customers requesting said job, and
2. The distinction between the jobs is not based on a refusal to equally recognize anyone's identity, but rather a refusal to facilitate a particular action.

Lance Armstrong didn't dope, because he never failed a drug test.

Commander of Awesome;1485522 wrote:No it's not. It's a bunch a BS. And you're a bigot if you honestly believe this. Get with the freakin program already. You continue this nonsense talk you'll sound like an old racist in 20 yrs.

Also ETB, as an educator, SMH. You should know better than to think like a dumb **** back water redneck.

Also any of you "christians" want to have a conversation on this, I'm all ears. Would love to pwn you guys with your own BS bible quotes.

This x1000.

What I cant bbelieve people believe in now a days and try to defend is the bible/God/creationism. How any logical free thinking adult can believe in what is essentially a fairytale is beyond me

"Same reason separate but equal was over turned. Not sure why segregation is illegal say with a water fountain but its fine under the disguise of religion."

Because one is public, one is private and one of the fundamental foundations of our country is separation of Church from State. We don't have a State religion and as long as a Church conducts itself in a private manner for the most part they can act in the manner they want. Hell, one of the Churches my parents attended when I was very young refused to conduct marriages where one of the parties was previously married - I guess they took 'til death due us part literally. They have the right to do that.

Your advocacy for "gay acceptance" is noted, but Churches don't have to accept anything, and in general it is tolerance that is necessary (South Park had a perfect episode about this). If the gay lobby comes out (no pun intended) and demands that all Churches provide them with access it will destroy the last 30 years or so of development. That type of demand will ultimately be self-defeating because it feeds into the stereotype that the gay lobby actually has an agenda, and it isn't the right to privacy and tolerance but rather forcing themselves in a manner that is completely different from the origination of the movement. Your argument is just silly.


-edit, the South Park episode is Deathcamp of Tolerance

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s06e14-the-death-camp-of-tolerance

I strongly suggest COA watches it.

Commander of Awesome;1485522 wrote:No it's not. It's a bunch a BS. And you're a bigot if you honestly believe this. Get with the freakin program already. You continue this nonsense talk you'll sound like an old racist in 20 yrs.

Also ETB, as an educator, SMH. You should know better than to think like a dumb fuck back water redneck.

Also any of you "christians" want to have a conversation on this, I'm all ears. Would love to pwn you guys with your own BS bible quotes.

lol, wtf, are you drunk? Why is it not fair to force churches into conducting same sex marriages?

Manhattan Buckeye;1485548 wrote:Your advocacy for "gay acceptance" is noted, but Churches don't have to accept anything,

pretty much this. Wouldn't it be just as intolerant to force the church into accepting gay marriages/unions and making them conduct wedding ceremonies?

That the instruction on the dog food bags/box reguarding the amount of food that should be given is correct.

That we need to teach cursive writing in schools.

That women need to go full out shaved in certain areas (and not in other areas).

That Asian women with bushes are the best kind of women.

You're damn right!

Hb31187;1485546 wrote:This x1000.

What I cant bbelieve people believe in now a days and try to defend is the bible/God/creationism. How any logical free thinking adult can believe in what is essentially a fairytale is beyond me

What I cant bbelieve people believe in now a days and try to defend is spontaneous generation. How any logical free thinking adult can believe in what is essentially a fairytale is beyond me

Speaking only on behalf of myself here, but at some point we have to recognize and reconcile our existence. Spontaneous generation does not occur. Has not, does not, and will not. But yet we are here.

spontaneous generation....oh you mean like some all mighty being snapping his fingers and creating the world in 7 days lol?

Commander of Awesome;1485522 wrote:No it's not. It's a bunch a BS. And you're a bigot if you honestly believe this. Get with the freakin program already. You continue this nonsense talk you'll sound like an old racist in 20 yrs.

Also ETB, as an educator, SMH. You should know better than to think like a dumb fuck back water redneck.

Also any of you "christians" want to have a conversation on this, I'm all ears. Would love to pwn you guys with your own BS bible quotes.

Churches should not be FORCED to marry gay couples.

I've always been curiuous why gay people would want to be married in a church anyway? I mean its fairly obvious they don't want you as a member to begin with, so why do you wnat to even associate yourselves with such assholes?

Hb31187;1485573 wrote:spontaneous generation....oh you mean like some all mighty being snapping his fingers and creating the world in 7 days lol?

That's not "spontaneous generation" at all. That is a creator creating something. Much like TW bench I'm sitting on is a creation and was created by someone or something. Much like the phone I'm typing on was created and had a creator. Much like the building I'm in was created and had a creator. As a matter of fact, as I sit here typing, I'm trying to come up with something that is currently in existence but yet did not have a creator. Heck, even that paperweight was created by someone. Why is it so illogical to consider that these items are any less different than me? Than you? They are here. I am here. The were created by someone or something, but I just happened????? Come on now.

cruiser_96;1485584 wrote:That's not "spontaneous generation" at all. That is a creator creating something. Much like TW bench I'm sitting on is a creation and was created by someone or something. Much like the phone I'm typing on was created and had a creator. Much like the building I'm in was created and had a creator. As a matter of fact, as I sit here typing, I'm trying to come up with something that is currently in existence but yet did not have a creator. Heck, even that paperweight was created by someone. Why is it so illogical to consider that these items are any less different than me? Than you? They are here. I am here. The were created by someone or something, but I just happened????? Come on now.

Magnets! How the fuck do they work!?

Religion

Commander of Awesome;1485533 wrote: Serioulsy consider it under the lens of civil rights. Think or your arguements for why gays shouldn't be able to marry, or be married in this church or that one and it's the exact same logic that people used to diuscredit the civil rights.

1) Gays are not a protected class.
2) Different rules apply to private groups/institutions. Think Augusta not allowing women (which IS a protected class) all these years.

Plus, in many respect, it's still a choice. You may REALLY want to be gay, you may even have been born with that wiring...you can still choose not to lead the gay lifestyle. If you are black, hispanic, woman, handicapped etc....you cannot choose not to be those things.

ETB: now THAT is something to ponder! The two metal pieces... They go towards each other!!! Or repel!

hb31187: it should be noted: according to the Genesis account, there is no defined time between 1:1 and 1:2. So technically, the earth was not created in 7 days, as you made reference to. The earth was created, then however long after, what we now know as days were created.

AOL. People still log into it. Fucking incredible.