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Heretic

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Aug 13, 2013 10:29 AM
I Wear Pants;1486219 wrote:As someone who has worked on a farm I can confirm that no one has ever been paid under the table.
True. Never, ever, ever have I seen or been party to under-the-table payment.
Aug 13, 2013 10:29am
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Aug 13, 2013 10:31 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1486216 wrote:^^^ There are many legislative movements to make it a two-tiered system, and IIRC there was a law about this in Ohio regarding farm work. I could be wrong but it makes sense. If the farmers had to pay everyone $15/hour or whatever "living wage" is being touted during planting and harvest season most farms would be out of business, and young people wouldn't have jobs.

That, or farmers would just pay people under the table, not that it happens of course.
I think that one issue with the two-tiered system is people would continue to claim "discrimination" because he/she wasn't hired for a job due to a hiring of someone who doesn't earn as much -- i.e., a 25 year old (more pay) misses out on a job because a 16 year old (lesser pay) gets it.

Even though, it makes sense to me, I think there'd be all kinds of more problems with it.
I Wear Pants;1486219 wrote:As someone who has worked on a farm I can confirm that no one has ever been paid under the table.
As someone who grew up on a farm and knows plenty of farmers, I can confirm that people do get paid under the table.
Aug 13, 2013 10:31am
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Aug 13, 2013 10:35 AM
queencitybuckeye;1486222 wrote:Not sure how history tells that much of a story here. The current minimum wage is X. If you make it a number less than X for minors, some businesses who hire lots of minors will hire more of them. I know for a fact that the restaurant industry would like more people, but simply can't afford little Johnny at $8, but can at $6.



For minors? How so?
I should have made it clear I wasn't responding to the minors part.
Aug 13, 2013 10:35am
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Aug 13, 2013 10:56 AM
I Wear Pants;1486219 wrote:As someone who has worked on a farm I can confirm that no one has ever been paid under the table.
And certainly not at auctions either.

One of my best memories from summers in college was one of my buddies calling me up and asking if I wanted to make $100 for four hours. We go to a home auction, it probably lasted a bit longer than four hours but all we did was carry stuff out of the house into the lawn. Some heavy stuff, but not too bad. At the end the barker said he wanted to shake my hand and put a c-note there. Good work if you can get it.
Aug 13, 2013 10:56am
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Aug 13, 2013 11:23 AM
The good ole days as a kid working all day bailing hay and getting $20 cash money.......and ya thought it was a great deal!!!!
Aug 13, 2013 11:23am
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Aug 13, 2013 11:30 AM
thavoice;1486265 wrote:The good ole days as a kid working all day bailing hay and getting $20 cash money.......and ya thought it was a great deal!!!!
I'm going to assume you're much older than I am. Because if you were bailing at the same time I was you got ripped off big time.
Aug 13, 2013 11:30am
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Aug 13, 2013 11:33 AM
thavoice;1486265 wrote:The good ole days as a kid working all day bailing hay and getting $20 cash money.......and ya thought it was a great deal!!!!
Try putting in about 500 square bails a day for only 10 bucks! I guess good old family bonding time sweating your balls off and being covered in hay seed can take the place of cash, though.

and im more iwp's age.
Aug 13, 2013 11:33am
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thavoice

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Aug 13, 2013 11:36 AM
I Wear Pants;1486271 wrote:I'm going to assume you're much older than I am. Because if you were bailing at the same time I was you got ripped off big time.
Say probably 24-25 years ago! But that pay was better than my first job at the park in the summer making $1.80/hr.....
Aug 13, 2013 11:36am
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Aug 13, 2013 11:38 AM
thavoice;1486277 wrote:Say probably 24-25 years ago! But that pay was better than my first job at the park in the summer making $1.80/hr.....
I'm sure it was. And I don't know about you but I actually had a good time bailing. It was basically hanging out with my friends all day while throwing things.
Aug 13, 2013 11:38am
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Aug 13, 2013 11:46 AM
^^^ Crap pay (but tax free) and everything was fun and games until someone picked up a bale and there was a black snake hanging out. That made for some interesting reactions.
Aug 13, 2013 11:46am
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Aug 13, 2013 12:06 PM
I Wear Pants;1486278 wrote:I'm sure it was. And I don't know about you but I actually had a good time bailing. It was basically hanging out with my friends all day while throwing things.
Yep, out of all the chores and stuff I was expected to do during the summer, that was about the most fun of them. Long day, but fun.
Aug 13, 2013 12:06pm
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Aug 13, 2013 12:25 PM
thavoice;1486265 wrote:The good ole days as a kid working all day bailing hay and getting $20 cash money.......and ya thought it was a great deal!!!!

I would put hay in the barn with friends for free beer and pizza.
Aug 13, 2013 12:25pm
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Aug 13, 2013 2:48 PM
That Oprah Winfrey is a hypocrite as she is one of the biggest reverse racists you'll see (against Caucasians). <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]-->
Aug 13, 2013 2:48pm
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Aug 13, 2013 5:26 PM
When I bailed hay in the early part of the 2000s, my friends and I were paid $10 an hour. Were we getting scammed? I need to know if I need to send a goon out to his farm to collect any debt. Thanks.
Aug 13, 2013 5:26pm
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Aug 13, 2013 5:35 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;1486382 wrote:That Oprah Winfrey is a hypocrite as she is one of the biggest reverse racists you'll see (against Caucasians). <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]-->
Don't know that I agree with that. But I will say some percentage of what black people attribute to racism is experienced by all people but recognized for what it is - simply rude or bad behavior. I believe there is "far more" racism than white people realize, and "far less" racism than black people perceive.
Aug 13, 2013 5:35pm
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Aug 13, 2013 6:38 PM
reclegend22;1486480 wrote:When I bailed hay in the early part of the 2000s, my friends and I were paid $10 an hour. Were we getting scammed? I need to know if I need to send a goon out to his farm to collect any debt. Thanks.

I was paid $25 and 3 home cooked meals per day
Aug 13, 2013 6:38pm
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Aug 13, 2013 6:42 PM
1 I never liked U2
2 I never understood what was funny about Jim Carey
3 summer is my least favorite season.
4 life is better when you to to bed early
Aug 13, 2013 6:42pm
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Aug 13, 2013 6:48 PM
LJ;1486503 wrote:I was paid $25 and 3 home cooked meals per day
WTF? That fucking son of a bitch. I remember thinking the farmer was doing me a favor by giving me $10. At the time, it sounded really good for under-the-table cash. Damn.
Aug 13, 2013 6:48pm
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Aug 13, 2013 6:50 PM
reclegend22;1486509 wrote:WTF? That fucking son of a bitch. I remember thinking the farmer was doing me a favor by giving me $10. At the time, it sounded really good for under-the-table cash. Damn.

I'll never forget how that food tasted.

I'll never remember what I did with the money.
Aug 13, 2013 6:50pm
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Aug 13, 2013 11:54 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1486505 wrote:3 summer is my least favorite season.
4 life is better when you to to bed early
3 - Winter is worst, then summer for me.
4- Stop... just stop.
Aug 13, 2013 11:54pm
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Aug 14, 2013 1:49 AM
gut;1486486 wrote:Don't know that I agree with that. But I will say some percentage of what black people attribute to racism is experienced by all people but recognized for what it is - simply rude or bad behavior. I believe there is "far more" racism than white people realize, and "far less" racism than black people perceive.
Reps! You have been on point lately.
Aug 14, 2013 1:49am
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Aug 14, 2013 10:31 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1486505 wrote:1 I never liked U2
2 I never understood what was funny about Jim Carey
3 summer is my least favorite season.
4 life is better when you to to bed early
1,3,4 yes yes yes
Aug 14, 2013 10:31am
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Aug 14, 2013 11:30 AM
i have never bailed hay.
Aug 14, 2013 11:30am
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Aug 14, 2013 12:03 PM
gut;1486486 wrote:Don't know that I agree with that. But I will say some percentage of what black people attribute to racism is experienced by all people but recognized for what it is - simply rude or bad behavior. I believe there is "far more" racism than white people realize, and "far less" racism than black people perceive.
Totally agree.
Aug 14, 2013 12:03pm
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Aug 14, 2013 1:10 PM
hasbeen;1486802 wrote:i have never bailed hay.
Communist.
Aug 14, 2013 1:10pm