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Aug 14, 2013 10:13 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1487134 wrote:The current situation sucks, as the Army acted recklessly and pretty much played right into the Brotherhood's hand.
I'll just add what are the options for the U.S.?
Honestly, what is a good option?

Should the U.S. wash their hands, leading to potentially more chaos in the region?
Or, should the U.S. try and work with the new Government like it is trying to do.

Transitions and new Governments are messy. Remember it took us years.
I get this. What you are missing is are we a nation governed by the rule of law? Or should they just be selectively ignored in a difficult case like this? The law is clear. If the law sucks change it. Don't circumvent it.
Aug 14, 2013 10:13pm
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Aug 14, 2013 10:34 PM
Should the U.S. wash their hands, leading to potentially more chaos in the region?
Uh, ya
Aug 14, 2013 10:34pm
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Aug 14, 2013 10:40 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1487134 wrote:And what if that pulls them away further from the U.S. and into a pro-Brotherhood Government?
I am no fan of the Brotherhood but they were not shooting their fellow citizens protesting their government down in the street. Also the Brotherhood over the last year had been playing ball with the US government and did not void the Israeli peace treaty when they took power.
ptown_trojans_1;1487134 wrote:And, what if it leads them to void the Israeli peace treaty?
Many nations peacefully coexist without a peace treaty. All peace treaties will be broken. Its a piece of paper. The balance of power and price in blood and treasure is what actually keeps nations from tearing each others throats out.
Aug 14, 2013 10:40pm
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Aug 14, 2013 10:57 PM
If you don't believe the Moozlums want Americans dead then you are naive and destined to see tragedy.
Aug 14, 2013 10:57pm
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Aug 15, 2013 5:27 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1487134 wrote:And what if that pulls them away further from the U.S. and into a pro-Brotherhood Government? And, what if it leads them to void the Israeli peace treaty?


The current situation sucks, as the Army acted recklessly and pretty much played right into the Brotherhood's hand.
I'll just add what are the options for the U.S.?
Honestly, what is a good option?

Should the U.S. wash their hands, leading to potentially more chaos in the region?
Or, should the U.S. try and work with the new Government like it is trying to do.

Transitions and new Governments are messy. Remember it took us years.
I understand what you're saying but we are in a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation.

One thing is quite clear - and I mean this with all sincerity - whenever the Feds intervene in any situation (foreign or domestic) there's an EXCELLENT chance that they will make things worse.

We already helped create the Middle East Monster. What makes you believe more Mericun meddling will fix it?
Aug 15, 2013 5:27am
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Aug 15, 2013 5:31 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1487134 wrote:And what if that pulls them away further from the U.S. and into a pro-Brotherhood Government? And, what if it leads them to void the Israeli peace treaty?


The current situation sucks, as the Army acted recklessly and pretty much played right into the Brotherhood's hand.
I'll just add what are the options for the U.S.?
Honestly, what is a good option?

Should the U.S. wash their hands, leading to potentially more chaos in the region?
Or, should the U.S. try and work with the new Government like it is trying to do.

Transitions and new Governments are messy. Remember it took us years.
I understand what you're saying but we are in a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation.

One thing is quite clear - and I mean this with all sincerity - whenever the Feds intervene in any situation (foreign or domestic) there's an EXCELLENT chance that they will make things worse.

The Feds already helped create the Middle East Monster. What makes you believe more Mericun meddling - particularly with the current bunch of inept buffoons and their phony Nobel Peace Prize "leader" running the show - will fix it?
Aug 15, 2013 5:31am
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Aug 15, 2013 5:40 AM
What we need is a John Quincy Adams, Henry Kissinger, or a George C. Marshall leading the way. Certainly not a Hillary Benghazi Clinton or a John Fonda Kerry at the helm.
Aug 15, 2013 5:40am
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Aug 15, 2013 6:25 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1487134 wrote:And what if that pulls them away further from the U.S. and into a pro-Brotherhood Government? And, what if it leads them to void the Israeli peace treaty?


The current situation sucks, as the Army acted recklessly and pretty much played right into the Brotherhood's hand.
I'll just add what are the options for the U.S.?
Honestly, what is a good option?

Should the U.S. wash their hands, leading to potentially more chaos in the region?
Or, should the U.S. try and work with the new Government like it is trying to do.

Transitions and new Governments are messy. Remember it took us years.
Do you really not understand that whenever we pick a side, they like us for exactly long enough to get what they want, and then start burning the stars and stripes? Do you really think we can pick a side that will lead to stability? You're D.C. delusional.
Aug 15, 2013 6:25am
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Aug 15, 2013 3:57 PM
Don't worry guise, it's all being handled.

http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/whitehouse/9515309159/
Aug 15, 2013 3:57pm
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Aug 15, 2013 6:38 PM
Want a solution

Announce tomorrow all oil restriction off the coast of America is lifted for US production, keystone pipeline is a go, fracking and drill baby drill is the push for America independence of forgien oil. No more forgien aid to unfriendly counties kill yourself we don't care America does not need sand.
Aug 15, 2013 6:38pm
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Aug 15, 2013 9:46 PM
Belly35;1487597 wrote:Want a solution

Announce tomorrow all oil restriction off the coast of America is lifted for US production, keystone pipeline is a go, fracking and drill baby drill is the push for America independence of forgien oil. No more forgien aid to unfriendly counties kill yourself we don't care America does not need sand.
Naw Belly. That makes too much fucking sense. But our country is chock full of tree-hugging "progressive" pussies who don't have a clue that THEY are part of the problem.
Aug 15, 2013 9:46pm
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Aug 15, 2013 9:55 PM
Belly35;1487597 wrote:Want a solution

Announce tomorrow all oil restriction off the coast of America is lifted for US production, keystone pipeline is a go, fracking and drill baby drill is the push for America independence of forgien oil. No more forgien aid to unfriendly counties kill yourself we don't care America does not need sand.
Still a rather myopic view. Even if the US were energy independent, the idea that middle east oil still wouldn't be a major factor in the global economy and to global stability is simply naive.
Aug 15, 2013 9:55pm
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Aug 15, 2013 10:02 PM
gut;1487676 wrote:Still a rather myopic view. Even if the US were energy independent, the idea that middle east oil still wouldn't be a major factor in the global economy and to global stability is simply naive.
Hey! Let China deal with those issue, in the mid east, America has oil.....
Aug 15, 2013 10:02pm
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Aug 15, 2013 10:23 PM
gut;1487676 wrote:Still a rather myopic view. Even if the US were energy independent, the idea that middle east oil still wouldn't be a major factor in the global economy and to global stability is simply naive.
Even so, being able to act from a position of strength would still be far preferable to the current situation.
Aug 15, 2013 10:23pm
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Aug 15, 2013 11:38 PM
Sounds like the Pharoes Army is putting a heavy ass whoopin on the Morsi Moozlums BroHood. Keep up the good work gents just a lot less we'll have to kill later.
Aug 15, 2013 11:38pm
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Aug 16, 2013 4:50 AM
gut;1487676 wrote:Still a rather myopic view. Even if the US were energy independent, the idea that middle east oil still wouldn't be a major factor in the global economy and to global stability is simply naive.
I have no problem letting the Chinese deal with the Islamofascists.
Aug 16, 2013 4:50am
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Aug 16, 2013 4:51 AM
queencitybuckeye;1487705 wrote:Even so, being able to act from a position of strength would still be far preferable to the current situation.
No question about it
Aug 16, 2013 4:51am
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Aug 16, 2013 5:00 AM
gut;1487676 wrote:Still a rather myopic view. Even if the US were energy independent, the idea that middle east oil still wouldn't be a major factor in the global economy and to global stability is simply naive.
I have no problem letting the Chi-com's and the Eurosocialists deal with the Islamofascists.
queencitybuckeye;1487705 wrote:Even so, being able to act from a position of strength would still be far preferable to the current situation.
No question about it.
Aug 16, 2013 5:00am
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Aug 16, 2013 5:16 AM
believer;1487773 wrote:I have no problem letting the Chi-com's and the Eurosocialists deal with the Islamofascists.
Like I said...Myopic view
Aug 16, 2013 5:16am
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Aug 16, 2013 8:22 AM
queencitybuckeye;1487219 wrote:Do you really not understand that whenever we pick a side, they like us for exactly long enough to get what they want, and then start burning the stars and stripes? Do you really think we can pick a side that will lead to stability? You're D.C. delusional.
No matter which 'side' we pick, both sides still hate us...dollars or not.

I say screw 'em all and them them kill each other off completely.

One more bat shit crazy country off the map.
Aug 16, 2013 8:22am
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Aug 16, 2013 1:45 PM
QuakerOats;1487932 wrote: US credibility 'in tatters'...
I imagine Hillary could come riding in to the rescue :)
Aug 16, 2013 1:45pm
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Aug 16, 2013 4:53 PM
gut;1487774 wrote:Like I said...Myopic view
Yes but it's right on target.
Aug 16, 2013 4:53pm
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Aug 16, 2013 5:08 PM
believer;1488014 wrote:Yes but it's right on target.
Details can be complicated, but anyone who can't explain a concept like this to a 12-year old is a charlatan.
Aug 16, 2013 5:08pm