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Jul 3, 2013 3:57 PM
Sorry it's hard for me to make sense of the situation. Can somebody with more sense on the matter than me please explain what's going on there? Is it good for democracy? What's the plan going forward? etc.
Jul 3, 2013 3:57pm
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Jul 3, 2013 4:14 PM
ohiobucks1;1467568 wrote:Can somebody with more sense on the matter than me please explain what's going on there?

A whole lot of rape.
Jul 3, 2013 4:14pm
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Jul 3, 2013 5:31 PM
It's good if done right.
In a nutshell, the protestors, who represent the more moderate and for easy explanation, pro-Western sects, have repeatably stated that Morsi has only ruled in favor of his party and the Muslim Brotherhood.

The protestors have stated that since Morsi has taken over goods and services have dropped and he has limited religious freedom, and other items.
So, the Military said enough is enough.

Hopefully, if done right, and this depends on the candidates for election and how the new Parliament and Constitution is populated and written, will lead to a more moderate and relgious tolerate Egypt.
So, cautious optimism.
Jul 3, 2013 5:31pm
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gut

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Jul 4, 2013 3:04 AM
LOL, how often are military coups "done right"?

It's like that line from Gladiator where the Senator says "and then what, you'll just leave?"
Jul 4, 2013 3:04am
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Jul 4, 2013 3:36 AM
gut;1467790 wrote:LOL, how often are military coups "done right"?
Never.
Jul 4, 2013 3:36am
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Jul 4, 2013 7:13 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1467604 wrote:It's good if done right.
In a nutshell, the protestors, who represent the more moderate and for easy explanation, pro-Western sects, have repeatably stated that Morsi has only ruled in favor of his party and the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama has rule in favor of his party the socialist democratic incompency party

The protestors have stated that since Morsi has taken over goods and services have dropped and he has limited religious freedom, and other items
. this sound about right for the Obama administration
So, the Military said enough is enough.

Hopefully, if done right, and this depends on the candidates for election and how the new Parliament and Constitution is populated and written, will lead to a more moderate and relgious tolerate Egypt.
So,

Constitution .... Obama is clueless
Jul 4, 2013 7:13am
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Jul 7, 2013 9:50 PM
Whether you liked Morsi or not, any time a democratically elected government is overthrown by the military, your suspicions should be raised. America is not coming out of this smelling like a rose, and the dithering, ambiguous foreign policy we have been engaged in, has both sides not happy with the USA.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-egypt-anti-american-20130706,0,6572930.story
Jul 7, 2013 9:50pm
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Jul 8, 2013 10:48 AM
^^^

We have a foreign policy?
Jul 8, 2013 10:48am
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Jul 8, 2013 2:50 PM
LOL I was using the term loosely, I admit.
Jul 8, 2013 2:50pm
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Jul 8, 2013 5:03 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1469210 wrote:^^^

We have a foreign policy?
Our foreign policy: If it's foreign, we get to choose the policy.
Jul 8, 2013 5:03pm
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Jul 10, 2013 10:15 AM
Agreed military coups are seldom "good things" but in this case its definitely in US favor to get rid of the guys who were cheering when the Towers fell.
Jul 10, 2013 10:15am
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Jul 10, 2013 10:26 AM
Yet, we continue to give billions of dollars to Egypt after this military coup, even though it is illegal. Oh, but wait....it's not a coup according to this administration.
Jul 10, 2013 10:26am
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Jul 10, 2013 10:30 AM
Where is that pre-ordained, world-wide Nobel Peace Prize winner from 2009 when you need him?



On holiday, oh .............. ok.


Change we can believe in ...
Jul 10, 2013 10:30am
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Jul 10, 2013 10:37 AM
OATS: Youre gonna sit there and bust Obama's balls for what's happening in Egypt? Grab a clue from the bag Alicia...the US needs to be completely "hands off" and say "no comment" as this unfolds.
Jul 10, 2013 10:37am
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Jul 10, 2013 10:48 AM
Tiernan;1470231 wrote:the US needs to be completely "hands off" and say "no comment" as this unfolds.
And stop sending them one more cent.
Jul 10, 2013 10:48am
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Jul 10, 2013 11:13 AM
Tiernan;1470231 wrote:OATS: Youre gonna sit there and bust Obama's balls for what's happening in Egypt? Grab a clue from the bag Alicia...the US needs to be completely "hands off" and say "no comment" as this unfolds.
No, you missed the point. Everyone crucified Bush over his foreign policy and handling of world affairs; they said obama would save the world from itself; they gave him the Nobel peace prize in advance of his presumed abilities to spread peace throughout all the world; they continue to worship his every move. Yet the chaos in the world is at a peak; the violence is at a peak; the unrest is at a peak; the lack of leadership is at a peak; and Americans have no idea what we stand for or whose side we are on.

The sham presidency continues.

Change we can believe in ...
Jul 10, 2013 11:13am
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Jul 10, 2013 12:47 PM
TedSheckler;1470236 wrote:And stop sending them one more cent.
Kinda tied to the Israel peace treaty as well.
QuakerOats;1470250 wrote:No, you missed the point. Everyone crucified Bush over his foreign policy and handling of world affairs; they said obama would save the world from itself; they gave him the Nobel peace prize in advance of his presumed abilities to spread peace throughout all the world; they continue to worship his every move. Yet the chaos in the world is at a peak; the violence is at a peak; the unrest is at a peak; the lack of leadership is at a peak; and Americans have no idea what we stand for or whose side we are on.

The sham presidency continues.

Change we can believe in ...
I'll take this Middle East over 2006.....
Jul 10, 2013 12:47pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:19 PM
NBC reporting Cairo in the throes of complete chaos with hundreds dead and hundreds more wounded. Erupted sometime early morning EST and is continuing into the Egyptian night right now. Should we give a shit or hope for as many dead Moozlums as possible?
Aug 14, 2013 2:19pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:57 PM
Tiernan;1486942 wrote:NBC reporting Cairo in the throes of complete chaos with hundreds dead and hundreds more wounded. Erupted sometime early morning EST and is continuing into the Egyptian night right now. Should we give a shit or hope for as many dead Moozlums as possible?
Give a shit? Yes.
Get involved? No.
Hope for deaths? What kind of sick fuck does that?
Aug 14, 2013 2:57pm
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Aug 14, 2013 3:00 PM
The only thing we should do is stop sending them foreign aid immediately. Per our own laws, it's illegal for us to send foreign aid to a country that has been overthrown via military coup. But we're still doing it anyways. In fact, Rand Paul proposed legislation a few weeks ago that would have taken the money from Egypt and put it directly into our fund for bridges. It failed overwhelmingly. And then days later the President said that he would love to find a funding mechanism to fix infrastructure.
Aug 14, 2013 3:00pm
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Aug 14, 2013 3:31 PM
But, but....it wasn't a coup.
Aug 14, 2013 3:31pm
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Aug 14, 2013 5:51 PM
So I guess McCain was right.

and to answer this question
Hope for deaths? What kind of sick fuck does that?
A drunk, racist idiot.
Aug 14, 2013 5:51pm
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Aug 14, 2013 6:21 PM
Me?;1486974 wrote:The only thing we should do is stop sending them foreign aid immediately.
this

end of discussion
Aug 14, 2013 6:21pm
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Aug 14, 2013 7:27 PM
Tiernan;1486942 wrote:Should we give a shit or hope for as many dead Moozlums as possible?
What a refreshing opinion from someone who frequently rails about racism in various threads.
Aug 14, 2013 7:27pm
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Aug 14, 2013 9:04 PM
believer;1487065 wrote:this

end of discussion
And what if that pulls them away further from the U.S. and into a pro-Brotherhood Government? And, what if it leads them to void the Israeli peace treaty?


The current situation sucks, as the Army acted recklessly and pretty much played right into the Brotherhood's hand.
I'll just add what are the options for the U.S.?
Honestly, what is a good option?

Should the U.S. wash their hands, leading to potentially more chaos in the region?
Or, should the U.S. try and work with the new Government like it is trying to do.

Transitions and new Governments are messy. Remember it took us years.
Aug 14, 2013 9:04pm