Automatik;1856973 wrote:Trying to make an argument over nothing. :laugh:

I'm not strongly for or against either point of this dumbass argument. I prefer a balance of the two.

We've lost civility on these forums years ago. Not sure why BR and his contingent are so butt hurt by constructive criticism.

Believe the bro science if you want, sorry for providing my opinion on the matter.

BR1986FB;1856841 wrote:If you are looking to burn fat & keep muscle, you either sprint (or some other form of HIIT), walk or push/carry heavy shit. There's really no "in between" in the spectrum of fast loss/muscle retention. It's either super slow (walk) or super fast (sprint).

My goal is for mental health benefits. The physical benefits are not important to me at all. If exercise prevents me from getting fat, then that's an added bonus. I think these HIIT sessions are great for my goal. I'm getting to be a middle aged bastard (47 years old), do I need a little more recovery time after one of these. But they are a good compliment my previous exercise routines.

sleeper;1856993 wrote:We've lost civility on these forums years ago. Not sure why BR and his contingent are so butt hurt by constructive criticism.

Believe the bro science if you want, sorry for providing my opinion on the matter.

If by bro science means the majority of trainers, pro athletes (that includes professional soccer player), olympians and medical journals then yes I believe it. I am not even a hater on jogging, but you're simply wrong. Sorry you lack the knowledge to contribute to this thread. Perhaps read and do your research in order to not feel so insecure.

Anyway, let's move on from troll trash trying to derail an otherwise pretty informative thread.


I am starting to accept the fact I am getting old and my body doesn't recover like it used to. I do a lot of heavy lifting (deadlifts, squats, bench, etc), and I constantly feel stiff. What do you all do to help with recovery (stretches, supplements, amount of rest, etc)? I remember a few years ago azu talked about taking cold showers. Does anyone try this?

Edit: For those who lift, do you do Yoga?

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1856999 wrote:My goal is for mental health benefits. The physical benefits are not important to me at all. If exercise prevents me from getting fat, then that's an added bonus. I think these HIIT sessions are great for my goal. I'm getting to be a middle aged bastard (47 years old), do I need a little more recovery time after one of these. But they are a good compliment my previous exercise routines.

I'd recommend Yoga for that. If you can find a Bikram studio, I find it more challenging and interesting than regular Yoga and it definitely feels very good after you finish a session.

I don't have a studio within a reasonable distance anymore but when I was doing that, even with my high stress job, I came home after very relaxed.

like_that;1857003 wrote:I remember a few years ago azu talked about taking cold showers. Does anyone try this?

Fuck no! But Tony Robbins, Tim Ferriss, et al, so I doubt it's broscience.....I'm just a wimp with that.

like_that;1857003 wrote: For those who lift, do you do Yoga?

Absolutely. Try to yoga and/or dynamic stretch at least twice a week.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1856999 wrote:HIIT ....(47 years old)

No need to push more than 90% for more than 10 seconds or 80% for 20 seconds.
(i.e. 100% is what you would sprint for 60 yards or getting chased by an black bear or ocelot)

Sonofanump;1857016 wrote:Fuck no! But Tony Robbins, Tim Ferriss, et al, so I doubt it's broscience.....I'm just a wimp with that.



Absolutely. Try to yoga and/or dynamic stretch at least twice a week.

Never thought about dynamic stretching. I will look into it.

How long do you do both? Youtube for yoga?

like_that;1857018 wrote:Never thought about dynamic stretching. I will look into it.

How long do you do both? Youtube for yoga?

Yoga is about 30 minutes, I bore easily.
Recovery Dynamic is about 20 minutes.
The best I've found is actually P90X3 for both.
I will do a 5-10 dynamic before activities.

Come to think of ice, every athletic facility I've been in advocates ice baths post workout/practice.

like_that;1857003 wrote:Anyway, let's move on from troll trash trying to derail an otherwise pretty informative thread.


I am starting to accept the fact I am getting old and my body doesn't recover like it used to. I do a lot of heavy lifting (deadlifts, squats, bench, etc), and I constantly feel stiff. What do you all do to help with recovery (stretches, supplements, amount of rest, etc)? I remember a few years ago azu talked about taking cold showers. Does anyone try this?

Edit: For those who lift, do you do Yoga?

I find yoga boring AF, and know I wouldn't stick with it. I do stretching every gym session, like 5 min before, 5 after. I can tolerate that and thus will stick to it. I've noticed improvement since I started doing it.

like_that;1857003 wrote:Anyway, let's move on from troll trash trying to derail an otherwise pretty informative thread.


I am starting to accept the fact I am getting old and my body doesn't recover like it used to. I do a lot of heavy lifting (deadlifts, squats, bench, etc), and I constantly feel stiff. What do you all do to help with recovery (stretches, supplements, amount of rest, etc)? I remember a few years ago azu talked about taking cold showers. Does anyone try this?

Edit: For those who lift, do you do Yoga?

Wait until you start creeping closer to 50, lol. I foam roll like an mf'er. Pretty much have cut back weights to 3 heavy days a week.

I don't do yoga anymore but would highly recommend it. I was never more flexible in my life than the several years I did it.

Commander of Awesome;1857020 wrote:I find yoga boring AF, and know I wouldn't stick with it. I do stretching every gym session, like 5 min before, 5 after. I can tolerate that and thus will stick to it. I've noticed improvement since I started doing it.

There are actually some higher intensity, get in/get out type of yoga workouts. I hated the P90X yoga workout because it was like 90 minutes. Then they came out with an abbreviated version, which was a more palatable, 30-ish minutes.

like_that;1857003 wrote:Anyway, let's move on from troll trash trying to derail an otherwise pretty informative thread.


I am starting to accept the fact I am getting old and my body doesn't recover like it used to. I do a lot of heavy lifting (deadlifts, squats, bench, etc), and I constantly feel stiff. What do you all do to help with recovery (stretches, supplements, amount of rest, etc)? I remember a few years ago azu talked about taking cold showers. Does anyone try this?

Edit: For those who lift, do you do Yoga?

BCAAs are a big part of recovery for me. Especially "All Day You May" from 5% Nutrition.

BR1986FB;1857025 wrote:There are actually some higher intensity, get in/get out type of yoga workouts. I hated the P90X yoga workout because it was like 90 minutes. Then they came out with an abbreviated version, which was a more palatable, 30-ish minutes.

30 min of stretching to a DVD sounds like torture to me. I'd almost rather ride a bike indoors.

Commander of Awesome;1857048 wrote:30 min of stretching to a DVD sounds like torture to me. I'd almost rather ride a bike indoors.

I've got it pretty much memorized and watch sports while dynamic stretching.

Nothing like back to back days of HIIT cardio to remind you how out of shape you are. I'm hurting today. Probably going to need to do something a little less intense today.

20-30 min sessions have been destroying me.

I'm also back to attempting to workout in the morning. Been going at 6am this week. It sucks.

Automatik;1857139 wrote: I'm also back to attempting to workout in the morning. Been going at 6am this week. It sucks.

It does suck. Early mornings can be the worst. I've found that my peak strength/best workouts are right around 11am. Unfortunately, only one of my workouts happen at that time and the others are at about 5:30pm, after a one hour+ commute.

I don't get home now til around 7-7:30. That's primetime for my gym, even though it's in my building.

So lately I have no desire to go after work, so I'm going with the morning. But I'm somewhat of a night owl, going to bed before midnight is very rare. Sleep late + 5:45 wake up = garbage workout. Right now I'm just trying to get in a rhythm and stick to it.

Automatik;1857150 wrote:I don't get home now til around 7-7:30. That's primetime for my gym, even though it's in my building.

So lately I have no desire to go after work, so I'm going with the morning. But I'm somewhat of a night owl, going to bed before midnight is very rare. Sleep late + 5:45 wake up = garbage workout. Right now I'm just trying to get in a rhythm and stick to it.

Mornings are the only way to do it properly in my opinion. If I miss a morning work out(hangover/staying up too late) and I go later after work I always regret it.

Automatik;1857150 wrote:I don't get home now til around 7-7:30. That's primetime for my gym, even though it's in my building.

So lately I have no desire to go after work, so I'm going with the morning. But I'm somewhat of a night owl, going to bed before midnight is very rare. Sleep late + 5:45 wake up = garbage workout. Right now I'm just trying to get in a rhythm and stick to it.

Yeah, it's hard to get up for a workout at that time of night. If my commute gets thrown off for any significant time, I easily can find a way of talking myself out of training that night. Mornings suck but they are probably the best just so you can get it out of the way. Unfortunately, I'm waking up at about 4:30am, as it is.

Automatik;1857150 wrote:I don't get home now til around 7-7:30. That's primetime for my gym, even though it's in my building.

So lately I have no desire to go after work, so I'm going with the morning. But I'm somewhat of a night owl, going to bed before midnight is very rare. Sleep late + 5:45 wake up = garbage workout. Right now I'm just trying to get in a rhythm and stick to it.

On the days I don't work from home, I get to the gym at 5:30AM. I've been doing this for a little over 6 months now and I still hate it. I can tell a jump in performance between morning vs lunch time work out. I rather do it in the morning/lunch, because I like to work out fasted and it's hard to get motivated to work out after work. The initial 10 minutes of the morning workout always sucks, but i feel better once I get it going. It also feels really good to be done that early in the day.

sleeper;1857151 wrote:Mornings are the only way to do it properly in my opinion. If I miss a morning work out(hangover/staying up too late) and I go later after work I always regret it.

I agree with that. I've tried working out after work a few times and just can't get into it. Winds up a shorter version of what I usually do that doesn't really accomplish more than stretching out my muscles a bit and quitting just when I'm starting to work up a sweat.

Now, I've altered my HIIT workout to just mainly be weights, which will probably be the norm unless I decide to drop the $$$ on a good stationary bike that doesn't wind up breaking under the stress of those 100% days. So to add a bit of cardio to it, after the workouts on my plan that feel a bit light, I set up the couch cushions so I can box against them for 15-25 minutes. Also helps give me a reason to spin some of my 80s thrash records I haven't listened to in years!

I can't get up to do it. Some mornings I have to get the kid to day care and other days I just can't make myself get up at 5:30 to do it. For a while, I was meeting my dad at the Y at 6 and we would play raquetball for an hour and a half but then I moved we aren't equal distance from that Y. It was easier to get up knowing that someone else was waiting/relying on me but I just can't do it alone.

After work is impossible. Too much going on.

So I have been going at lunch. Leave around 11:50. To the gym by noon. 40-50 minutes. Shower and back between 1:05-1:15. It's like working out twice because I would normally go get lunch out with someone from the office and those usually involve craft beers or gin. I get back to the office and reheat some chicken that I grilled the night before and have some vegetables and nuts.

sleeper;1857005 wrote:I'd recommend Yoga for that. If you can find a Bikram studio, I find it more challenging and interesting than regular Yoga and it definitely feels very good after you finish a session.

I don't have a studio within a reasonable distance anymore but when I was doing that, even with my high stress job, I came home after very relaxed.

I do some yoga too. I've never done Bikram. That's the hot yoga isn't it?