sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 1:38pm
I don't know why people are so upset about Serena's comments. What she said is correct. She's not blaming the victim for the boys actions, she's saying that girls need to be smarter about their personal decisions.
For example, if you get in the car with your drunk friend and he crashes and you both die; there are two people at fault. The person who was drunk driving broke the law(ie. the rape) but the person who chose to go in the car, while technically not committing a crime, is still at fault for choosing to enter the car. Are people really this stupid and emotionally involved that they cannot see the difference?
No one is trying to defend what the boys did, it was wrong no matter what and they were punished accordingly. The girl, however, isn't free of blame either. Don't want to get raped? Don't get in the car.
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For example, if you get in the car with your drunk friend and he crashes and you both die; there are two people at fault. The person who was drunk driving broke the law(ie. the rape) but the person who chose to go in the car, while technically not committing a crime, is still at fault for choosing to enter the car. Are people really this stupid and emotionally involved that they cannot see the difference?
No one is trying to defend what the boys did, it was wrong no matter what and they were punished accordingly. The girl, however, isn't free of blame either. Don't want to get raped? Don't get in the car.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Jun 19, 2013 1:53pm
These weren't random people she met at a club. These were friends of hers. You don't expect your friends to take advantage of you and piss on you if you get a little drunk or in this case a lot drunk.
I think we have all had those days or nights with friends where we were the stupid drunk person . Your friends are supposed to be there to help you, not p*** on you and rape you in the you and leave you lying in the Street
I think we have all had those days or nights with friends where we were the stupid drunk person . Your friends are supposed to be there to help you, not p*** on you and rape you in the you and leave you lying in the Street
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jun 19, 2013 1:53pm
yeah!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 1:55pm
Your friends are also not supposed to drive drunk and kill everyone in the car either. Your point? Once again, no one(except for delusional stubenville people) are trying to say the boys don't deserve their punishment, but pretending the girl is just absolved of any responsibility is downright retarded.gport_tennis;1460154 wrote:These weren't random people she met at a club. These were friends of hers. You don't expect your friends to take advantage of you and kiss on you if you get a little drunk or in this case a lot drunk.
I think we have all had those days or nights with friends where we were the stupid drunk person . Your friends are supposed to be there to help you, not p*** on you and rape you in the you lying in the Street
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 19, 2013 1:57pm
What a terrible comparison. So basically everyone has the exact opposite opinion as you and you think everyone else is stupid. Don't be that guy, nobody likes that guy.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 1:59pm
Right just like everyone is respecting Serena's opinion? :thumbup:Rotinaj;1460158 wrote:What a terrible comparison. So basically everyone has the exact opposite opinion as you and you think everyone else is stupid. Don't be that guy, nobody likes that guy.
People are emotionally attached and emotions and rationality do not mix. From an objective perspective(read: my perspective), both parties are to blame for being stupid.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 19, 2013 2:07pm
At times, semantics make a huge difference. Did she make poor choices that made the situation possible or more likely? Yes. Her share of the "blame"? Zero.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jun 19, 2013 2:10pm
Ya'all need to give FWK a break on this.
Without raping a comatose drunk woman then he would still be a virgin.
This is the point that is trying to be made....Yes, it is wrong to rape someone. As my Drill SGT would say.....it is as wrong as to boys holding hands. (now you *** lovers can bash that comment).
EVERYONE needs to take personal responsibility in their lives to help prevent bad shit from happening to them. Ya cannot stop all stuff of course, but ya should do your best to not put yourself in situations where stuff like that can happen.
Without raping a comatose drunk woman then he would still be a virgin.
This is the point that is trying to be made....Yes, it is wrong to rape someone. As my Drill SGT would say.....it is as wrong as to boys holding hands. (now you *** lovers can bash that comment).
EVERYONE needs to take personal responsibility in their lives to help prevent bad shit from happening to them. Ya cannot stop all stuff of course, but ya should do your best to not put yourself in situations where stuff like that can happen.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 2:10pm
Which isn't this what Serena said? :thumbup:queencitybuckeye;1460168 wrote:At times, semantics make a huge difference. Did she make poor choices that made the situation possible or more likely? Yes. Her share of the "blame"? Zero.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 19, 2013 2:17pm
Serena said that the girl was fucking lucky and it could be worse. How could it be worse? If they murdered her? She also doesn't even know what she thinks of their punishment. Her quote just makes her sound stupid as hell.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 19, 2013 2:24pm
Perhaps that's the spirit in which she intended it, but when one says "I'm not blaming the girl, but", you're blaming the girl. Again, words have meaning and they have power.sleeper;1460171 wrote:Which isn't this what Serena said? :thumbup:
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 2:42pm
Exactly. If I'm Serena I don't say anything regarding the subject. Her words were chosen poorly but what she actually intended is correct and accurate.queencitybuckeye;1460174 wrote:Perhaps that's the spirit in which she intended it, but when one says "I'm not blaming the girl, but", you're blaming the girl. Again, words have meaning and they have power.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 2:43pm
She's lucky it wasn't worse is incorrect? Rape is worse than murder? :laugh:Rotinaj;1460173 wrote:Serena said that the girl was fucking lucky and it could be worse. How could it be worse? If they murdered her? She also doesn't even know what she thinks of their punishment. Her quote just makes her sound stupid as hell.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 19, 2013 2:48pm
She was not lucky. Its as simple as that. Saying so is beyond dumb.sleeper;1460187 wrote:She's lucky it wasn't worse is incorrect? Rape is worse than murder? :laugh:
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jun 19, 2013 3:10pm
For some on here getting raped WOULD be considered getting lucky.......Rotinaj;1460189 wrote:She was not lucky. Its as simple as that. Saying so is beyond dumb.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 3:13pm
Are you really this retarded? She's not lucky that she got raped, she's lucky that she wasn't killed as well.Rotinaj;1460189 wrote:She was not lucky. Its as simple as that. Saying so is beyond dumb.
I'm okay with your line of thinking I just ask that you don't vote or reproduce.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 19, 2013 3:24pm
LJ is a bitch.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Jun 19, 2013 3:26pm
Would have been worse if she was pregnant with a little Ma'lik.Rotinaj;1460173 wrote:Serena said that the girl was fucking lucky and it could be worse..How could it be worse?
mcburg93
Posts: 3,167
Jun 19, 2013 3:54pm
My balls itch. GFY
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 19, 2013 3:56pm
Youre 100% correct. Shes one lucky girl. My bad, you win.sleeper;1460197 wrote:Are you really this retarded? She's not lucky that she got raped, she's lucky that she wasn't killed as well.
I'm okay with your line of thinking I just ask that you don't vote or reproduce.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 4:04pm
Do you apply this rationality to your own life? Like perhaps if your daughter falls off a roller coaster ride and only breaks her hip rather than her spine, paralyzing her for life, is she lucky?Rotinaj;1460222 wrote:Youre 100% correct. Shes one lucky girl. My bad, you win.
I would say she is. You do realize you are arguing against rationality? Never argue against rationality, not even Con_Alma would attempt this. :thumbup:
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 19, 2013 4:59pm
Unfortunately, I think Serena took this stance because the victim is white, and it's too bad. It just proves that racism goes both ways, which if too often overlooked.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 19, 2013 5:28pm
Your comparisons are beyond awful.sleeper;1460227 wrote:Do you apply this rationality to your own life? Like perhaps if your daughter falls off a roller coaster ride and only breaks her hip rather than her spine, paralyzing her for life, is she lucky?
I would say she is. You do realize you are arguing against rationality? Never argue against rationality, not even Con_Alma would attempt this. :thumbup:
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Jun 19, 2013 5:36pm
vball10set;1460245 wrote:Unfortunately, I think Serena took this stance because the victim is white, and it's too bad. It just proves that racism goes both ways, which if too often overlooked.
She is a bully. Does not surprise me she would side with other bullies
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2013 7:06pm
When you get a job with a salary, the comparisons will make more sense. :thumbup:Rotinaj;1460256 wrote:Your comparisons are beyond awful.