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Belly35

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Jun 12, 2013 3:11 PM
I’m sick of this legal circle jerk by lawyers… Its time this shit stops and lawyers, their clients have to own up to their crimes and stop wasting tax payer money, legal time, judge’s obligation of half ass legal strategy.

Ariel Castro Plea Not Guilty WTF he and his lawyer should be punish for such a statement. How many time does this situation play out in the legal system .. smoking gun in hand and the plea is NOT Guilty your Honor. If I was a Judge I would fine the lawyer ASAP until a reasonable Plea was made …

Solution: Plea Not Guilty ( when it is obvious) and then found guilty sentencing is tripled and if that reach a total of 100 year … it flip automatically to the death penalty to be affect within 30 day.

The lawyer that suggests his client (obvious of the action) Pleas Not Guilty if loses pays the court cost and half the other lawyer fees or loses his licenses for six months.

This is a perfect example of why the law is not respected … Half Ass Lawyers and Half Ass Legal Methods that does nothing but waste more time, money and effort on those who are worthless …

Once a coward always a coward to take responsibility of their action…
Jun 12, 2013 3:11pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Jun 12, 2013 3:25 PM
Stupid constitution.
Jun 12, 2013 3:25pm
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Con_Alma

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Jun 12, 2013 3:27 PM
Belly35;1456772 wrote:I’m sick of this legal circle jerk by lawyers… Its time this **** stops and lawyers, their clients have to own up to their crimes and stop wasting tax payer money, legal time, judge’s obligation of half ass legal strategy.

Ariel Castro Plea Not Guilty WTF he and his lawyer should be punish for such a statement. How many time does this situation play out in the legal system .. smoking gun in hand and the plea is NOT Guilty your Honor. If I was a Judge I would fine the lawyer ASAP until a reasonable Plea was made …

Solution: Plea Not Guilty ( when it is obvious) and then found guilty sentencing is tripled and if that reach a total of 100 year … it flip automatically to the death penalty to be affect within 30 day.

The lawyer that suggests his client (obvious of the action) Pleas Not Guilty if loses pays the court cost and half the other lawyer fees or loses his licenses for six months.

This is a perfect example of why the law is not respected … Half Ass Lawyers and Half Ass Legal Methods that does nothing but waste more time, money and effort on those who are worthless …

Once a coward always a coward to take responsibility of their action…
He cannot agree to a plea deal that does not include the death penalty if he pleads guilty.

That's what this is all about.
Jun 12, 2013 3:27pm
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Jun 12, 2013 3:56 PM
Belly35;1456772 wrote:I’m sick of this legal circle jerk by lawyers… Its time this shit stops and lawyers, their clients have to own up to their crimes and stop wasting tax payer money, legal time, judge’s obligation of half ass legal strategy.

Ariel Castro Plea Not Guilty WTF he and his lawyer should be punish for such a statement. How many time does this situation play out in the legal system .. smoking gun in hand and the plea is NOT Guilty your Honor. If I was a Judge I would fine the lawyer ASAP until a reasonable Plea was made …

Solution: Plea Not Guilty ( when it is obvious) and then found guilty sentencing is tripled and if that reach a total of 100 year … it flip automatically to the death penalty to be affect within 30 day.

The lawyer that suggests his client (obvious of the action) Pleas Not Guilty if loses pays the court cost and half the other lawyer fees or loses his licenses for six months.

This is a perfect example of why the law is not respected … Half Ass Lawyers and Half Ass Legal Methods that does nothing but waste more time, money and effort on those who are worthless …

Once a coward always a coward to take responsibility of their action…

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? So you don't want your rights taken away (guns), but it's OK to take someone else's away, as long as it doesn't affect you?
Jun 12, 2013 3:56pm
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Jun 12, 2013 4:02 PM
GoChiefs;1456820 wrote:What happened to innocent until proven guilty? So you don't want your rights taken away (guns), but it's OK to take someone else's away, as long as it doesn't affect you?
Generally, when people at least on this site start ranting about the Constitution and stuff like that, they only care about specific parts that concern them. Ie: Belly and the second amendment. Other parts are meaningless and should be erased.
Jun 12, 2013 4:02pm
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Jun 12, 2013 4:24 PM
Heretic;1456828 wrote:Generally, when people at least on this site start ranting about the Constitution and stuff like that, they only care about specific parts that concern them. Ie: Belly and the second amendment. Other parts are meaningless and should be erased.
He's even calling for the lawyer to be punished for it! That's why it is so hard to take any of them serious.
Jun 12, 2013 4:24pm
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Jun 12, 2013 4:31 PM
Belly35;1456772 wrote:I’m sick of this legal circle jerk by lawyers… Its time this **** stops and lawyers, their clients have to own up to their crimes and stop wasting tax payer money, legal time, judge’s obligation of half ass legal strategy.
The statement.
Belly35;1456772 wrote:
Ariel Castro Plea Not Guilty WTF he and his lawyer should be punish for such a statement.
What has the lawyer done wrong beside what he is constitutionally supposed to do?
Belly35;1456772 wrote: How many time does this situation play out in the legal system .. smoking gun in hand and the plea is NOT Guilty your Honor. If I was a Judge I would fine the lawyer ASAP until a reasonable Plea was made
So what the hell exactly is the point in having a trial in the 1st place? I hope it is never you that gets to decide if a plea is reasonable.
Belly35;1456772 wrote: Solution: Plea Not Guilty ( when it is obvious) and then found guilty sentencing is tripled and if that reach a total of 100 year … it flip automatically to the death penalty to be affect within 30 day.
I wish that you would have finished high school, because if you did they had a compulsory class called government.
The defendant has a right to an attorney, and a right not to incriminate himself. It is the burden of the state to prove the charges brought against them.

The arraignment is a formality. If the accused says nothing, the plea of not guilty is pre supposed and entered for him.

Why would you think that anyone charged with anything get triple the sentence if they plea not, and are found guilty? Isn't this what the system is supposed to do?
Jun 12, 2013 4:31pm
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Jun 12, 2013 4:38 PM
Yeah, given an often rather large range of sentencing options there's no reason to throw in the towel with a guilty plea. Like it or not, plea negotiations are a huge part of our legal system (I think like 90% of cases never go to jury verdict).
Jun 12, 2013 4:38pm
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Jun 12, 2013 4:53 PM
GoChiefs;1456820 wrote:What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Let see girls held captive, kidnap, multiple rapes, dead newborns and list goes on 300 and counting ... what part of any of this is innocent? So you don't want your rights taken away (guns), but it's OK to take someone else's away, as long as it doesn't affect you?
First I have not commited any crimes nor have I broken any laws to be a felone. The different is law bidding citizen, honorable military retired, prosperous citizen, producer for society and the list goes on vs what? That why i have Rights and he does not...

IMO he lost all his Right when he took the Rights of those girls away...
Jun 12, 2013 4:53pm
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Jun 12, 2013 4:56 PM
queencitybuckeye;1456781 wrote:Stupid constitution.
GoChiefs;1456820 wrote:What happened to innocent until proven guilty? So you don't want your rights taken away (guns), but it's OK to take someone else's away, as long as it doesn't affect you?
Heretic;1456828 wrote:Generally, when people at least on this site start ranting about the Constitution and stuff like that, they only care about specific parts that concern them. Ie: Belly and the second amendment. Other parts are meaningless and should be erased.
All of these.
Jun 12, 2013 4:56pm
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Jun 12, 2013 4:57 PM
Belly35;1456882 wrote:First I have not commited any crimes nor have I broken any laws to be a felone. The different is law bidding citizen, honorable military retired, prosperous citizen, producer for society and the list goes on vs what? That why i have Rights and he does not...

IMO he lost all his Right when he took the Rights of those girls away...
He's not a felone either.

lol @ belly getting dumped on with the truth and logic in this thread.
Jun 12, 2013 4:57pm
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Con_Alma

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Jun 12, 2013 4:59 PM
Belly35;1456882 wrote:First I have not commited any crimes nor have I broken any laws to be a felone. The different is law bidding citizen, honorable military retired, prosperous citizen, producer for society and the list goes on vs what? That why i have Rights and he does not...

IMO he lost all his Right when he took the Rights of those girls away...
It must be proven that "he took the rights of those girls away" first. That's what this process is all about.
Jun 12, 2013 4:59pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Jun 12, 2013 4:59 PM
Belly35;1456882 wrote: IMO he lost all his Right when he took the Rights of those girls away...
Which he hasn't done UNTIL he is convicted in a court of law.
Jun 12, 2013 4:59pm
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Jun 12, 2013 5:00 PM
Belly35;1456882 wrote:First I have not commited any crimes nor have I broken any laws to be a felone. The different is law bidding citizen, honorable military retired, prosperous citizen, producer for society and the list goes on vs what? That why i have Rights and he does not...

IMO he lost all his Right when he took the Rights of those girls away...

You are an American citizen, he is an American citizen. He has the same rights in the courtroom that you do. Unbelievable that a veteran of our military wants to take someone's else's rights away. He is entitled to the exact same judicial system that you are. You are being quite the hypocrite. You always bitch about your guns, butnow that it doesn't have anything to dowith you, you say fuck his rights as an American. Smh.
Jun 12, 2013 5:00pm
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Jun 12, 2013 5:44 PM
This trial will be over in like 90 minutes. :laugh:
Jun 12, 2013 5:44pm
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Jun 12, 2013 5:49 PM
This thread is a belly flop.....
Jun 12, 2013 5:49pm
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MontyBrunswick

Jun 12, 2013 5:49 PM
Belly35;1456772 wrote:I’m sick of this legal circle jerk by lawyers… Its time this shit stops and lawyers, their clients have to own up to their crimes and stop wasting tax payer money, legal time, judge’s obligation of half ass legal strategy.

Ariel Castro Plea Not Guilty WTF he and his lawyer should be punish for such a statement. How many time does this situation play out in the legal system .. smoking gun in hand and the plea is NOT Guilty your Honor. If I was a Judge I would fine the lawyer ASAP until a reasonable Plea was made …

Solution: Plea Not Guilty ( when it is obvious) and then found guilty sentencing is tripled and if that reach a total of 100 year … it flip automatically to the death penalty to be affect within 30 day.

The lawyer that suggests his client (obvious of the action) Pleas Not Guilty if loses pays the court cost and half the other lawyer fees or loses his licenses for six months.

This is a perfect example of why the law is not respected … Half Ass Lawyers and Half Ass Legal Methods that does nothing but waste more time, money and effort on those who are worthless …

Once a coward always a coward to take responsibility of their action…
Jun 12, 2013 5:49pm
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Jun 12, 2013 6:45 PM
I think those girls wanted to be there.

Ariel Castro is probably a heck of a nice guy and just misunderstood.

I dunno.
Jun 12, 2013 6:45pm
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Jun 12, 2013 7:03 PM
You have to be pretty morally fucked up to want to represent him.
Jun 12, 2013 7:03pm
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Jun 12, 2013 8:23 PM
Pick6;1456942 wrote:You have to be pretty morally fucked up to want to represent him.
In various state (if not all) ethical codes for lawyers there is language that basically amounts to say that while they aren't ever required to take on a particular client, lawyers should participate in a way to assure legal representation is available to anyone who wants it, even those who are generally unappealing to individuals and community.

This just builds on the principal that our legal system is an adversarial process and for it to work properly each side deserves competent representation.
Jun 12, 2013 8:23pm
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MontyBrunswick

Jun 12, 2013 8:25 PM
Pick6;1456942 wrote:You have to be pretty morally fucked up to want to represent him.
It's excellent publicity win-or-lose.
Jun 12, 2013 8:25pm
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Jun 12, 2013 9:30 PM
dlazz;1456970 wrote:It's excellent publicity win-or-lose.
I dont see how it can be excellent publiciity if you lose.

But thats not really my point. Yeah, its probably a smart financial move to take it on, but at what point do you put morals over money? Not sure why I'm even asking this question, we are talking about lawyers here lol.
Jun 12, 2013 9:30pm
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Tiernan

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Jun 12, 2013 9:44 PM
Never admit to anything in a court of law, deny, deny, deny...you ain't gonna get in anymore trouble for lying.
Jun 12, 2013 9:44pm
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MontyBrunswick

Jun 12, 2013 9:55 PM
Pick6;1456986 wrote: but at what point do you put morals over money? Not sure why I'm even asking this question, we are talking about lawyers here lol.
Yeah, I was getting ready to say...

And it's good publicity regardless...gives you "cred".

Most lawyers would tell you that the prosecutors/judges/other attorneys are all good friends. They all hang out with one another. They aren't really enemies except in the courtroom.
Jun 12, 2013 9:55pm
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Jun 13, 2013 1:06 AM
Belly35;1456882 wrote:First I have not commited any crimes nor have I broken any laws to be a felone. The different is law bidding citizen, honorable military retired, prosperous citizen, producer for society and the list goes on vs what? That why i have Rights and he does not...

IMO he lost all his Right when he took the Rights of those girls away...
You're such a wonderful guy but yet don't understand how the judicial system works.
Jun 13, 2013 1:06am