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Jun 13, 2013 6:47 AM
GoChiefs;1456889 wrote:You are an American citizen, he is an American citizen. He has the same rights in the courtroom that you do. Unbelievable that a veteran of our military wants to take someone's else's rights away. He is entitled to the exact same judicial system that you are. Never did I state he was not entitled to a trial I just want truth and honesty when Pleading. What kind of scam is it when the facts, proof and victims are pointing to the crimial and the crime and he and his lawyer plead NOT GUILTY. You are being quite the hypocrite. You always bitch about your guns, butnow that it doesn't have anything to dowith you, you say fuck his rights as an American. Smh.
Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I do ......... how do you plead NOT GUILTY

So between he and the lawyer they start by lying ...
Jun 13, 2013 6:47am
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Jun 13, 2013 6:52 AM
Belly35;1457116 wrote:So between he and the lawyer they start by lying ..

And that is for the courts to decide. Not you or I. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Jun 13, 2013 6:52am
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Jun 13, 2013 7:22 AM
GoChiefs;1457118 wrote:And that is for the courts to decide. Not you or I. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
So you believe that with all the victims statements, evidences that he is innocent? Because he is innocent until proven (what hasn't been proven that will be presented) he and his lawyer has the right to fraud the court system with lying about his plea

Why is it you would not except someone to be lying to you but you except lying in a court of law?
Jun 13, 2013 7:22am
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Jun 13, 2013 7:25 AM
Belly35;1457126 wrote:So you believe that with all the victims statements, evidences that he is innocent? Because he is innocent until proven (what hasn't been proven that will be presented) he and his lawyer has the right to fraud the court system with lying about his plea

Why is it you would not except someone to be lying to you but you except lying in a court of law?

I believe in the United States Constitution. Maybe you should try it sometime.
Jun 13, 2013 7:25am
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Jun 13, 2013 7:40 AM
Belly, ol buddy. You just don't get it. Do you?

We have rules in place to protect all of our citizens ( except for drone attacks in foriehn countries )

This is one of the many reasons that we live in the greatest country in the history of the world.
Lying is part of our heritage. From the churches, through the congress, and yes... Through the cout rooms.

The charges have been brought by the state and must be proven within the confines of our rules. expense should never be an issue. It is the price we pay for "Free".
Jun 13, 2013 7:40am
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Jun 13, 2013 7:50 AM
GoChiefs;1457129 wrote:I believe in the United States Constitution. Maybe you should try it sometime.
Went the question become difficult and common sense comes into play , you divert to a different topic to avoid the oblivious

You point out early about my usage of the 2nd Amendment and now you suggest I use it. Confusing

Lying in any situation is wrong and should not be used as method of strategy in the court system.
Jun 13, 2013 7:50am
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Jun 13, 2013 8:03 AM
Belly35;1457141 wrote:Went the question become difficult and common sense comes into play , you divert to a different topic to avoid the oblivious

You point out early about my usage of the 2nd Amendment and now you suggest I use it. Confusing

Lying in any situation is wrong and should not be used as method of strategy in the court system.

I'm not avoiding anything. I pointed out your constant bitching about the 2nd Amendment to point out how big of a hypocrite you are. How did that go over your head? There was nothing confusing about it.

You want your constitutional rights, yet, you want to deny this fellow American citizen his. What part of innocent until proven guilty is so difficult for you to understand?

Again, you say he's lying, but he hasn't had his fair trial that he's entitled to yet that will determine if he's lying or not. Like I said, thats not up to you or I to decide, thats what the courts are for.

Quit being a damn hypocrite and quit bitching about another citizen having the same rights as you and I. Remember, right now, he's still an innocent man. He's yet to be found guilty of any crimes.
Jun 13, 2013 8:03am
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Jun 13, 2013 8:05 AM
Devils Advocate;1457137 wrote:Belly, ol buddy. You just don't get it. Do you?

We have rules in place to protect all of our citizens ( except for drone attacks in foriehn countries )

This is one of the many reasons that we live in the greatest country in the history of the world.
Lying is part of our heritage. From the churches, through the congress, and yes... Through the cout rooms.

The charges have been brought by the state and must be proven within the confines of our rules. expense should never be an issue. It is the price we pay for "Free".
Maybe just maybe the mentality of excepting lying as part of the process needs to end and truth, integrity be the order of the day.

What we have in today's technology is the science of proof, the digital image actions, and the means of medical evidence as document guilty plea. Lying about a plea is not a option ....in the future or even in this case
Jun 13, 2013 8:05am
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Jun 13, 2013 8:10 AM
Belly35;1457116 wrote:Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I do ......... how do you plead NOT GUILTY

So between he and the lawyer they start by lying ...

He wasn't on the witness stand.
Jun 13, 2013 8:10am
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Jun 13, 2013 8:28 AM
Belly35;1457141 wrote:oblivious

Pot, meet kettle.
Jun 13, 2013 8:28am
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Jun 13, 2013 8:30 AM
Tiernan;1456993 wrote:Never admit to anything in a court of law, deny, deny, deny...you ain't gonna get in anymore trouble for lying.

Well, there is perjury, but compared to murder, I guess that wouldn't be first priority.
Belly35;1457126 wrote:So you believe that with all the victims statements, evidences that he is innocent? Because he is innocent until proven (what hasn't been proven that will be presented) he and his lawyer has the right to fraud the court system with lying about his plea

Why is it you would not except someone to be lying to you but you except lying in a court of law?

Belly, all this evidence you've just discussed hasn't been presented yet.

The default of an American citizen is innocence in light of the law. That is blatantly constitutional. Blatantly.

Now, there IS one means by which we can determine if someone is NOT innocent. Only one means. Again, as outlined in the Constitution. That is a court trial.

Consider it this way: Suppose we were to implement what you suggest. Do you believe that those in positions of authority will ALWAYS be so virtuous as to be able to be trusted to wield it scrupulously? It would seem that you trust the judiciary system of the government (now and in the future) more than I.
Belly35;1457147 wrote:Maybe just maybe the mentality of excepting lying as part of the process needs to end and truth, integrity be the order of the day.

What we have in today's technology is the science of proof, the digital image actions, and the means of medical evidence as document guilty plea. Lying about a plea is not a option ....in the future or even in this case
As crazy as it sounds, we've thought the same thing in the past, and we've convicted innocent people as a result. Again, that's also assuming that the government is trustworthy to never railroad anybody.
Jun 13, 2013 8:30am
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Jun 13, 2013 10:09 AM
Belly35;1457141 wrote: Lying in any situation is wrong and should not be used as method of strategy in the court system.
If you mean by pleading not guilty, he's saying he didn't do the things he did, is an incorrect notion. He's saying he has the right to make the state prove it in court of law under the rules of evidence. More practically, he's playing the only card he has, which is hoping the prosecution will accept a life sentence in lieu of a trial.
Jun 13, 2013 10:09am
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Jun 13, 2013 10:14 AM
Also, it's, "How do you plead?"

Belly, sometimes I wonder if you're not Uncle Si from Duck Dynasty.
Jun 13, 2013 10:14am
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Jun 13, 2013 10:35 AM
O-Trap;1457198 wrote:Also, it's, "How do you plead?"

Belly, sometimes I wonder if you're not Uncle Si from Duck Dynasty.
I didn't win a spelling bee so buzz off
Jun 13, 2013 10:35am
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Jun 13, 2013 11:02 AM
Belly35;1457220 wrote:I didn't win a spelling bee so buzz off
Most of us didn't win one either. But if you are going to constantly bash everyone else on earth for every stupid reason you can think of, you should at least have more than a third grade level grasp of the English language. Some knowledge of the Constitution would probably help as well.
Jun 13, 2013 11:02am
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Tiernan

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Jun 13, 2013 11:47 AM
Uncle Si went to 'Nam too.
Jun 13, 2013 11:47am
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Jun 13, 2013 11:52 AM
Let's put things this way.

What you're suggesting is the sort of thing where anyone who is charged frivolously in what could be considered a "he said/she said" situation would probably just plead guilty instead of trying to prove their innocence because, if they don't have a good lawyer or the person filing the complaint comes off as more convincing, they're risking getting completely fucked over with huge penalties.

In other words, leave the legal system workings to people remotely qualified to make those determinations.
Jun 13, 2013 11:52am
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Jun 13, 2013 12:09 PM
Belly35;1457116 wrote:Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I do ......... how do you plead NOT GUILTY

So between he and the lawyer they start by lying ...
Making a plea isn't lying. It's marking your stance on the case against you.

If he came out and said "I never had women in my house" then you can call him a liar.
Jun 13, 2013 12:09pm
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Jun 13, 2013 2:05 PM
Belly35;1457220 wrote:I didn't win a spelling bee so buzz off
Well, a "plea" is the subject version for what you were going for. It was close.
Jun 13, 2013 2:05pm
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Jun 13, 2013 2:49 PM
xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1457250 wrote:Most of us didn't win one either. But if you are going to constantly bash everyone else on earth for every stupid reason you can think of, you should at least have more than a third grade level grasp of the English language. Some knowledge of the Constitution would probably help as well.
To be fair, I believe Belly has said he is dyslexic. When he was in school they probably didn't have the understanding to diagnosis nor help him work through the difficulties, and thus his trouble with spelling and grammar has persisted throughout is life.

But that doesn't excuse his thought process in this thread.
Jun 13, 2013 2:49pm
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Jun 14, 2013 5:17 AM
GoChiefs;1457146 wrote:
You want your constitutional rights, yet, you want to deny this fellow American citizen his. What part of innocent until proven guilty is so difficult for you to understand?
Belly's opinion trumps your constitutional rights.
Jun 14, 2013 5:17am
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Jun 14, 2013 5:19 AM
Belly35;1457147 wrote:Maybe just maybe the mentality of excepting lying as part of the process needs to end and truth, integrity be the order of the day.
Good luck with that.
Jun 14, 2013 5:19am