Will Zimmerman get a fair trial in the Travon Martin case?

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Jun 24, 2013 3:46 PM
Is this being televised?
Jun 24, 2013 3:46pm
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Jun 24, 2013 6:29 PM
State went first and were so quick I missed it.

TV on HLN or http://www.hlntv.com/

Predictions are 2 weeks to verdict. They went through 4 witnesses this afternoon.
Jun 24, 2013 6:29pm
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Jun 24, 2013 8:08 PM
The testimony from the 911 operator completely eliminates this "chasing down" & "stalking" crap the news has put out there. Day 1 goes to Zimmerman. No question, tapes prove he didn't have an intent to kill.

Remember, the defense doesn't have to prove anything. The state must prove 2nd, beyond a reasonable doubt.
Jun 24, 2013 8:08pm
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Jun 24, 2013 8:47 PM
TedSheckler;1462303 wrote:The testimony from the 911 operator completely eliminates this "chasing down" & "stalking" crap the news has put out there. Day 1 goes to Zimmerman. No question, tapes prove he didn't have an intent to kill.

Remember, the defense doesn't have to prove anything. The state must prove 2nd, beyond a reasonable doubt.
Obviously the state of mind reaching depravity will be the difficult part and it doesn't seem like there is much evidence known publicly to get to that heightened requirement.
Jun 24, 2013 8:47pm
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Jun 24, 2013 9:17 PM
Well, the convenience store clerk saying Martin "seemed normal/fine" may not be trivial. And I thought the prosecution made a good point about the tape - Zimmerman is rushing to conclusions, and in a heightened/agitated state, over someone he doesn't recognize.

Easy to listen to that tape and think Zimmerman is just fed-up with the crime in his neighborhood. But it gives you pause - here's a guy walking around with a gun that maybe isn't completely in control of his emotions/senses.
Jun 24, 2013 9:17pm
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Jun 24, 2013 11:10 PM
I've said this from the beginning....Zimmerman better hope he gets convicted of something and serves some time...because if he's found not guilty...he will get shot the second he walks outside the courthouse.
Jun 24, 2013 11:10pm
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Jun 24, 2013 11:11 PM
No matter the thread, if I see a Ty Webb post, I click on the thread just to read it.
Jun 24, 2013 11:11pm
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Jun 25, 2013 3:09 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1462541 wrote:Media tried to make this about white on black crime from the very beginning. Where is all the black outrage when something like this happens though?

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/06/police_search_for_millburn_robber_captured_on_survelliance_camera_in_home_invasion.html
We can post countless videos of blacks assaulting blacks, blacks assaulting whites, and whites assaulting whites. The media doesn't care unless it is a white person assaulting a black person. For whatever reason this causes sheer outrage in the black community and they follow like sheep. There is more black on black murders, rapes, and assaults in America and it is totally ignored. You ask yourself why?
Jun 25, 2013 3:09pm
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Jun 25, 2013 3:18 PM
rmolin73;1462567 wrote:We can post countless videos of blacks assaulting blacks, blacks assaulting whites, and whites assaulting whites. The media doesn't care unless it is a white person assaulting a black person. For whatever reason this causes sheer outrage in the black community and they follow like sheep. There is more black on black murders, rapes, and assaults in America and it is totally ignored. You ask yourself why?
Media feeds on white guilt. Paula Deen was fired for saying ****** 30 years ago, it's such bullshit. Who gives a shit? No one until the media made a big deal out of it. Things like that and the prosecutor saying fuck are news stories but real news and issues get buried.

I hope Zimmerman gets off and people riot.
Jun 25, 2013 3:18pm
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Jun 25, 2013 4:01 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1462541 wrote:Media tried to make this about white on black crime from the very beginning. Where is all the black outrage when something like this happens though?
And media continues to show innocent 12 year old TM, not current at the time thug TM.
Jun 25, 2013 4:01pm
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Jun 25, 2013 4:04 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1462570 wrote:Media feeds on white guilt. Paula Deen was fired for saying ****** 30 years ago, it's such bull****. Who gives a ****? No one until the media made a big deal out of it. Things like that and the prosecutor saying **** are news stories but real news and issues get buried.

I hope Zimmerman gets off and people riot.
If he gets off their will be outrage but I doubt people will riot. The dumb thing about rioting though is the neighborhoods that are being destroyed are their own. Then people wonder why there aren't any businesses in the black community.
Jun 25, 2013 4:04pm
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Jun 25, 2013 4:07 PM
TedSheckler;1462607 wrote:And media continues to show innocent 12 year old TM, not current at the time thug TM.
Comments like this crack me up. What do you expect out of the media? You sound so shocked lol. The bottom line is two wannabes met up on that night one got his ass kicked and the other one was killed. It's simple as that.
Jun 25, 2013 4:07pm
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Jun 25, 2013 4:11 PM
Oh, I'm not shocked at all. It's just typical media. They are trying to swing the public, but luckily they aren't on the jury. Jury is hearing facts and will realize there isn't enough there for murder 2.
Jun 25, 2013 4:11pm
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Jun 25, 2013 4:22 PM
TedSheckler;1462624 wrote:Oh, I'm not shocked at all. It's just typical media. They are trying to swing the public, but luckily they aren't on the jury. Jury is hearing facts and will realize there isn't enough there for murder 2.
I don't think the media is trying to swing the public. I think the media is pandering to the public, basically they tell the story that they think their target audience would like to here to get them better ratings/more viewers.
Jun 25, 2013 4:22pm
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Jun 25, 2013 5:00 PM
Fly4Fun;1462644 wrote:I don't think the media is trying to swing the public. I think the media is pandering to the public, basically they tell the story that they think their target audience would like to here to get them better ratings/more viewers.
Bingo. The internet/blogs/twitter have more or less destroyed the journalism model. The new media model is sensationalize or die. The real blame lay with the ignorant, short-attention span public.
Jun 25, 2013 5:00pm
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Jun 25, 2013 5:04 PM
gut;1462666 wrote:Bingo. The internet/blogs/twitter have more or less destroyed the journalism model. The new media model is sensationalize or die. The real blame lay with the ignorant, short-attention span public.
your last sentence speaks volumes!
Jun 25, 2013 5:04pm
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Jun 25, 2013 5:18 PM
gut;1462666 wrote:Bingo. The internet/blogs/twitter have more or less destroyed the journalism model. The new media model is sensationalize or die. The real blame lay with the ignorant, short-attention span public.
Or, you could be a damn commie and take it a step further and suggest the real blame lies with thinking that a free market with competition works in every situation. Whereas having some kind of focus other than "best ratings" but more along the lines of integrity for reporting the news, not manufacturing or twisting it.

But in all seriousness, I do think there is an obligation on those reporting the news to hold themselves to a higher standard than they currently are (and this goes across the board from Fox to MNBC).
Jun 25, 2013 5:18pm
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Jun 26, 2013 7:53 AM
rmolin73;1462617 wrote:Comments like this crack me up. What do you expect out of the media? You sound so shocked lol. The bottom line is two wannabes met up on that night one got his ass kicked and the other one was killed. It's simple as that.
Facts. What do you expect? The news is supposed to inform not entertain.

This happens all the time! If his last name was Gonzales and not Zimmerman, this would not be all over the "news." I don't get how this is such a huge case. 20 people shot in Baltimore doesn't get past local news yet a black teen who fucked with a guy with a gun is the leading story across the nation.
Jun 26, 2013 7:53am
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Jun 26, 2013 9:25 AM
ccrunner609;1462771 wrote:this story broke cause the media thought Zimmerman was white. Also it happened to be a good case to push the anti gun agenda.
What if he didn't have a gun and was beaten into a coma? It'd get no coverage because it'd be just another poor black kid being violent.
Jun 26, 2013 9:25am
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Jun 26, 2013 12:39 PM
Ahh, another witness cornered into admitting their testimony is swayed by media/social network coverage.
Jun 26, 2013 12:39pm
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Jun 26, 2013 3:26 PM
TedSheckler;1462977 wrote:Ahh, another witness cornered into admitting their testimony is swayed by media/social network coverage.
She was quite possibly the worst prosecution witness ever.
Jun 26, 2013 3:26pm
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Jun 26, 2013 3:31 PM
fish82;1463243 wrote:She was quite possibly the worst prosecution witness ever.
I haven't been paying attention, but I'm assuming your referencing the famous Witness #8?
Jun 26, 2013 3:31pm