LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 22, 2013 10:43am
What about the girl who came running out screaming as they arrived? Why didn't they question her before going in?WebFire;1446488 wrote:If that is the case, that is a dispatch problem, not a responding cop problem. They've already said the police were unaware of the hostage.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 22, 2013 10:43am
Nobody is saying it is "right" to shoot anyone in the head. I think most just want more info before forming an opinion.LJ;1446489 wrote:Why is it moronic that I think the cops were wrong to shoot the girl in the head? :laugh:
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 22, 2013 10:46am
The article posted makes no mention of a girl running out screaming. Was that posted later?LJ;1446491 wrote:What about the girl who came running out screaming as they arrived? Why didn't they question her before going in?
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MontyBrunswick
May 22, 2013 10:46am
LJ;1446489 wrote:Why is it moronic that I think the cops were wrong to shoot the girl in the head? :laugh:
Because the cop wasn't TRYING to shoot the girl, you dolt.
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Gblock
May 22, 2013 10:47am
the article i read said the crook sent one girl to the door and told her to say everything was ok. she answered the door and yelled hes got a gun and ran...or something like that
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 22, 2013 10:49am
Nah, he just shot 8 shots at a guy who was holding a hostage closely. I mean it's not like the drunk tries to run over the little kid on a bicycle right?dlazz;1446498 wrote:Because the cop wasn't TRYING to shoot the girl, you dolt.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 22, 2013 10:51am
Other articles. More recent ones. The other twin.WebFire;1446497 wrote:The article posted makes no mention of a girl running out screaming. Was that posted later?
The two cops arrived at the house just as Jessica was escaping through the front door, screaming that Smith had a gun. Budimlic saw movement in the house and stepped inside
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/20/hofstra_student_killing_cops_didnt.php
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MontyBrunswick
May 22, 2013 10:53am
No, he shot 8 shots at a guy who was pointing a gun at him.LJ;1446502 wrote:Nah, he just shot 8 shots at a guy who was holding a hostage closely.
Terrible analogy.LJ;1446502 wrote:I mean it's not like the drunk tries to run over the little kid on a bicycle right?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 22, 2013 10:54am
Is it? Both were reckless before they killed someone innocent.dlazz;1446506 wrote:He shot 8 shots at a guy who was pointing a gun at him.
Terrible analogy.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 22, 2013 10:57am
Thanks. Gives a better account of what happened. I honestly have no problem with the way it went down. However, it did end tragically. Could the cop have "interviewed" the girl running out? Perhaps. But it sounds like it was pretty bang-bang and would definitely need more info on that.LJ;1446504 wrote:Other articles. More recent ones. The other twin.
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/20/hofstra_student_killing_cops_didnt.php
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MontyBrunswick
May 22, 2013 11:04am
LJ;1446507 wrote:Is it? Both were reckless before they killed someone innocent.
By your analogy, someone who is jaywalking is just as reckless as a burglar/robbery suspect.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 22, 2013 12:34pm
I agree! It's totally cool and awesome that an innocent female got blown away by a cop! No problems whatsoever!WebFire;1446510 wrote:Thanks. Gives a better account of what happened. I honestly have no problem with the way it went down. However, it did end tragically. Could the cop have "interviewed" the girl running out? Perhaps. But it sounds like it was pretty bang-bang and would definitely need more info on that.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 22, 2013 1:20pm
Yep, that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:Heretic;1446554 wrote:I agree! It's totally cool and awesome that an innocent female got blown away by a cop! No problems whatsoever!
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 22, 2013 1:29pm
You said you had no problems with how it went down. How it went down was an innocent person was shot and killed by the cop.WebFire;1446579 wrote:Yep, that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:
What's next? Pull a FWK and say the girl was 5% at fault for being home when the dude broke in?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 22, 2013 1:31pm
Yeah ok dude.Heretic;1446593 wrote:You said you had no problems with how it went down. How it went down was an innocent person was shot and killed by the cop.
What's next? Pull a FWK and say the girl was 5% at fault for being home when the dude broke in?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
May 22, 2013 1:33pm
I don't think this is quite the same. I *think* WebFire is saying that in hind site it didn't work out (obviously) but with what the cop knew at the time and the way things progressed he is ok with how the cop responded. I didn't read any blame for the poor girl from his comments.Heretic;1446593 wrote:You said you had no problems with how it went down. How it went down was an innocent person was shot and killed by the cop.
What's next? Pull a FWK and say the girl was 5% at fault for being home when the dude broke in?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
May 22, 2013 3:38pm
Bad article then. If you listen to the dispatch tapes, the cop saw the guy driving around the parking lot, loses sight of the guy right before he goes inside. The cops didnt approach the guy until he came out and had already killed.LJ;1446483 wrote:BTW, your link says the opposite of what you claim
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
May 22, 2013 4:18pm
from LJ's article
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/20/hofstra_student_killing_cops_didnt.php
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/20/hofstra_student_killing_cops_didnt.php
How the fuck does that happen?Budimlic saw movement in the house and stepped inside. Almost instantly, he was separated from his partner when the front door slammed shut and locked the other cop out.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 22, 2013 4:21pm
FatHobbit;1446749 wrote:from LJ's article
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/20/hofstra_student_killing_cops_didnt.php
How the fuck does that happen?
Yeah seems fishy
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 22, 2013 4:58pm
FatHobbit;1446749 wrote:from LJ's article
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/20/hofstra_student_killing_cops_didnt.php
How the fuck does that happen?
We had an apartment building that had all weighted doors and re-locking locks. They used to be really common in rentals.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 22, 2013 4:58pm
Then post an article that backs up what you are saying rather than stating the exact opposite?Glory Days;1446707 wrote:Bad article then. If you listen to the dispatch tapes, the cop saw the guy driving around the parking lot, loses sight of the guy right before he goes inside. The cops didnt approach the guy until he came out and had already killed.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
May 22, 2013 5:02pm
That would make sense, but they also said the boyfriend had gone out to move his car so the apt door wasn't locked. That's how he got in.LJ;1446777 wrote:We had an apartment building that had all weighted doors and re-locking locks. They used to be really common in rentals.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 22, 2013 5:11pm
The girl also came running out. With all the commotion it could have gotten locked.FatHobbit;1446780 wrote:That would make sense, but they also said the boyfriend had gone out to move his car so the apt door wasn't locked. That's how he got in.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
May 23, 2013 12:40am
The article i read said that right about the time the cop showed up, a male, the victim and the suspect where walking down the stairs. somehow the male fell down the stairs and rolled into the door which closed the front door to the house. that is when the suspect saw the cop and grabbed the girl.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
May 23, 2013 12:41am
but then you couldnt tell me i was wrong.LJ;1446778 wrote:Then post an article that backs up what you are saying rather than stating the exact opposite?