gut;1445700 wrote:You wouldn't normally expect the school to be built on the low ground, but who knows how the tornado rearranges things. I'd assume the debris they were buried under allowed rain water to collect faster than it was able to drain.

Oh, you mean not in ditches?

SportsAndLady;1445699 wrote:Are you serious? Lmao there was a 2 mile wide tornado...how do you think people (kids) were lying in ditches?

No shit. But you still don't hear of people dying of drowning in tornadoes from drowning. Don't be such a dick.

[video=youtube;xTpceWd8UE4][/video]

WebFire;1445704 wrote:No shit. But you still don't hear of people dying of drowning in tornadoes from drowning. Don't be such a dick.

I'm just giving you a hard time because a) I highly disagree w/ what you're saying in the Hofstra shooting thread and b) you still haven't changed your signature

Back on topic

I thought they said they drowned in a pool inside the school? I could be wrong though. I do agree with you webbie, it is really unusual for people to drown during a tornado. Just a crazy and sad situation

SportsAndLady;1445710 wrote:I'm just giving you a hard time because a) I highly disagree w/ what you're saying in the Hofstra shooting thread and b) you still haven't changed your signature

Back on topic

News just reported they were trapped in the basement and possibly drowned from runoff. No ditches. GFY.

WebFire;1445702 wrote:Oh, you mean not in ditches?

On a serious note, they always say go for a ditch if you have no shelter. Seeing what that did, I would keep looking for shelter. Crazy - never seen so many homes just laid bare all the way to the foundation.

I guess they don't build a local 7-11 with reinforced concrete. Short of better options, I'd think my chances were decent in a modern block building.

WebFire;1445713 wrote:News just reported they were trapped in the basement and possibly drowned from runoff. No ditches. GFY.

"News just reported"

"Possibly"

Sorry, you were 100% right :rolleyes:

Mile wide tornado (maybe mile and a half) with a 2 1/4 mile wide debris ball shooting out the top and showing on the radar, technically.

To give you an idea of where they're at trying to rate this thing, here's what they will look at when they survey the school.

SportsAndLady;1445716 wrote:"News just reported"

"Possibly"

Sorry, you were 100% right :rolleyes:

They were killed inside the school. 100% fact. No ditches in school building. 100% fact. You being wrong after trying to belittle me. 100% true.

What's outrageous is think of all the new schools built in the last 10-15 years...many sitting vacant or well below capacity. Then here's a school in tornado alley that can't withstand an F4 and has no safe shelter for students.

WebFire;1445719 wrote:They were killed inside the school. 100% fact. No ditches in school building. 100% fact. You being wrong after trying to belittle me. 100% true.

Right, school is completely leveled; no way a ditch could appear

Anyways..I was just fucking around with you, stop being so sensitive and drop the subject

FWIW, tornadoes usually don't "dig" much, they have but it is very rare unless its REALLY loose dirt. But the reason you don't hear of people dying in ditches is because it's a last resort that very few people use, and in most cases the tornado is short lived/weak enough that unless a house lands on you in the ditch, you're back up and out in less than a minute or two. People have drowned in ditches before though in tornadoes.

Either way, let's move on

Added a twitter pic of the school above, if anyone wants to play "rate that tornado" with it.

Automatik;1445692 wrote: My question is this, how is it possible for a school to NOT have a suitable shelter in TORNADO FUCKING ALLEY!?

Prob' taxpayers not willing to cover the costs. Not sure if this area of Oklahoma has as hard of ground as Arizona but I remember they use dynamite to dig basements in the PHX valley.

said_aouita;1445746 wrote:Prob' taxpayers not willing to cover the costs. Not sure if this area of Oklahoma has as hard of ground as Arizona but I remember they use dynamite to dig basements in the PHX valley.

http://fox59.com/2013/05/20/why-arent-there-more-basements-in-oklahoma/#axzz2TtEnFrxR

Just in general. It appears this school had a basement, but this would explain why it took on water so fast.

gut;1445721 wrote:What's outrageous is think of all the new schools built in the last 10-15 years...many sitting vacant or well below capacity. Then here's a school in tornado alley that can't withstand an F4 and has no safe shelter for students.

Uh the only thing that can withstand an F4 or 5 which this is is a nuclear bunker or a nuclear reactor

gut;1445715 wrote:On a serious note, they always say go for a ditch if you have no shelter. Seeing what that did, I would keep looking for shelter. Crazy - never seen so many homes just laid bare all the way to the foundation.

I guess they don't build a local 7-11 with reinforced concrete. Short of better options, I'd think my chances were decent in a modern block building.

They died from all of the pipes exploding in the school flooding the downstairs. Also you have only a 45% of survival in a basement when directly hit by an EF5 and 5% when inside a building. That's really the thing about an EF5, it's the one known to scour the ground and sweep slabs bare.

Also let me say this, as bad as the damage was here I believe some of the stuff seen in Alabama was worse. This damage wasn't quite as bad as what happened in Phil Campbell and Hackleberg. This was startling here...


Here you can see the pavement actually scoured off


And this was a neighborhood full of brick houses


Just to think that this tornado 2 years ago killed 72, and did it basically in exclusively rural areas speaks to the absolute power of this. I believe what hit Moore was close to, but not at the level of this. This thing in Moore would have killed many more

I watched the whole thing today from the link Said posted. Thanks Said as it was wild to watch, just hate seeing the results.

The house my wife and I am moving to in Kansas doesn't have a basement. Actually, very few houses in the town we are living in don't have basements. Shocking. But, most of the town used to be in a flood plain -- our house was just removed from it a year or so ago. Makes me want to have a basement.

I'll be coaching out there, and one of my players lives in Oklahoma. His girlfriend had her yard tore up by the tornado. He was evacuated into a shelter. Thankfully, he, his family, and his friends are all safe.

My buddy just posted photos from the street behind his house. Everything is gone. His is damaged badly but not gone. His daughter was sick today...unreal.

Ill try posting his pics.

I cant save photos from Facebook to my note so I just did screenshots.

I heard of one story today that it took 3 men to hold down the lid on the storm shelter they and others were in. Can't imagine that.

Classyposter58;1445766 wrote:Also you have only a 45% of survival in a basement when directly hit by an EF5...

Wow, screw the basement...that's a legit reason to be a prepper and build a bunker.