Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Dec 31, 2013 5:17pm
I don't think it would be that demoralizing. I'd say those kids are probably the same as me or you. I know I'd love to play in game against the likes of SDSU or Utah.reclegend22;1559841 wrote:I don't really subscribe to that theory. For teams that are actually capable of not getting embarrassed and at least feigning competitiveness, the exposure of playing at a big-time venue is probably pretty positive, even in a 20 or 30-point loss. But nowhere is a kid watching TV and saying, "I want to be a Firebird," after watching St. Kat's get beat by 80 by a West Coast Conference team.
It's about the school getting money. Which isn't all that bad, I guess. But it's demoralizing for team itself. JMO.
Also while I am in this thread let me say it again. Fuck You Providence.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 3, 2014 8:54am
Arizona beats Wazzou 60-25. Sounds like one of those games that you could use as a torture tactic...
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 4, 2014 3:43pm
SMU about to beat Connecticut. Cincinnati won at Memphis. There might not be a single top 15 team in the AAC, but it's a pretty decent league after being one that was just thrown together. 5 or 6 pretty good teams, and even UCF and USF are decent.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 4, 2014 6:05pm
Duke loses to Notre Dame. That's a terrible loss. Ok State down to KSU late.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jan 4, 2014 6:08pm
lolreclegend22;1556758 wrote:Definitely bad news for Notre Dame. Grant's all they had, and even with him they were only slightly better than appalling. Mike Brey's worst team in years, maybe ever.
Apparently Duke < appalling.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 4, 2014 6:11pm
They were 9-4 and should have beaten undefeated OSU. Not a good loss, but not a "terrible" one. Especially on the road.Mulva;1562359 wrote:Duke loses to Notre Dame. That's a terrible loss. Ok State down to KSU late.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 4, 2014 6:46pm
9-4 with 0 good wins. And losses to Indiana State and North Dakota State. And then they lost their best player to being a dumbass. That is not a good team.SportsAndLady;1562364 wrote:They were 9-4 and should have beaten undefeated OSU. Not a good loss, but not a "terrible" one. Especially on the road.
Would be like if ohio state would have lost at Purdue.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 4, 2014 6:58pm
It's not a terrible loss..i don't give a fuck about what you are saying, it's not a terrible lossMulva;1562386 wrote:9-4 with 0 good wins. And losses to Indiana State and North Dakota State. And then they lost their best player to being a dumbass. That is not a good team.
Would be like if ohio state would have lost at Purdue.
And I hate Duke
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jan 4, 2014 7:00pm
SportsAndLady;1562398 wrote:It's not a terrible loss..i don't give a fuck about what you are saying, it's not a terrible loss
And I hate Duke
Not yet, but I think ND will fall to under .500 by the middle of ACC season, and if they do, at that point itll be a really bad loss on Duke's schedule.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jan 4, 2014 7:01pm
Exactly ND will probably be a tourney team. High ranked opponents always have trouble at ND that's why the Vegas line was only 5.5 pointsSportsAndLady;1562398 wrote:It's not a terrible loss..i don't give a fuck about what you are saying, it's not a terrible loss
And I hate Duke
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jan 4, 2014 7:16pm
Crimson streak;1562404 wrote:Exactly ND will probably be a tourney team. High ranked opponents always have trouble at ND that's why the Vegas line was only 5.5 points
You think? I think ND finishes around .500. We'll see.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 4, 2014 7:33pm
Oh OK. Just disregard the facts. That works.SportsAndLady;1562398 wrote:It's not a terrible loss..i don't give a fuck about what you are saying, it's not a terrible loss
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Jan 4, 2014 7:42pm
Eh, it's no different than Michigan losing at Penn State last year. It happens. As I said in the betting thread, this loss was not surprising in the least, whether you want to believe it or not. Duke does this against an average team every year on the road, once or twice, even in its best of years. Losing at places like Miami under Frank Haith, Va Tech, Virginia, Boston College, St. John's, N.C State, Wake Forest, etc. Notre Dame, while not a good team by any measure, does have some individual players with talent and a tough home crowd backing them.Mulva;1562386 wrote:9-4 with 0 good wins. And losses to Indiana State and North Dakota State. And then they lost their best player to being a dumbass. That is not a good team.
Would be like if ohio state would have lost at Purdue.
It's the Duke game. Every average team's biggest. It's something I came to peace with years ago.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Jan 4, 2014 7:46pm
Notre Dame is not a good team and even after beating Duke they will continue to not be a good team. A game against Duke or North Carolina has just a little bit more of a motivating factor behind it than one against North Dakota State. That's a reality.Heretic;1562360 wrote:lol
Apparently Duke < appalling.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 4, 2014 7:47pm
Also a terrible loss.reclegend22;1562485 wrote:Eh, it's no different than Michigan losing at Penn State last year. It happens
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Jan 4, 2014 7:49pm
I never said it wasn't a terrible loss. I am merely stating that it will have no bearing whatsoever on where Duke goes from here or what it can ultimately accomplish.Mulva;1562502 wrote:Also a terrible loss.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jan 4, 2014 9:32pm
Pretty much the perfect comparison. In the short term, it's a terrible loss. In the grand scheme it won't mean anything unless the team goes into some unrealistic-seeming tailspin afterwards because by the end of the season, it's a lot harder to find good teams WITHOUT at least one surprising loss than it is to find ones with them.Mulva;1562386 wrote:Would be like if ohio state would have lost at Purdue.
But at least for today, it's a bad loss to a team that, due to losing one of their top players to academics immediately after Ohio State didn't lose to them, is likely destined to be mediocre to poor.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 4, 2014 10:21pm
No one loss in college basketball, in the regular season, keeps a team from possibly reaching their goals. Some are just bad losses.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 4, 2014 10:55pm
I'll bet anyone on here that ND doesn't go .500 in the ACC and will miss the NCAA's. I see them at best, 6th in the ACC.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Jan 5, 2014 12:03am
Duke gets a pass on this loss. Coach k was away from the team for a few days because his brother passed away the day after Christmas.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 5, 2014 12:18am
Seriously?Prescott;1562648 wrote:Duke gets a pass on this loss. Coach k was away from the team for a few days because his brother passed away the day after Christmas.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 5, 2014 12:32am
His back flared up on the flight and he missed a whole season...
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Jan 5, 2014 11:20am
Absolutely.Midstate01;1562651 wrote:Seriously?
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 5, 2014 2:03pm
lolPrescott;1562648 wrote:Duke gets a pass on this loss....
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Jan 5, 2014 2:25pm
Krzyzewski was severely ill during the '94-95 season. He was hospitalized and bed-ridden for months. It was just a bit more serious than something that can be cured with a back rub.Azubuike24;1562657 wrote:His back flared up on the flight and he missed a whole season...
This is true. K's brother did in fact die recently.prescott wrote:Duke gets a pass on this loss. Coach k was away from the team for a few days because his brother passed away the day after Christmas.
As for the game itself, Duke lost to a bad team. As said in this thread, it happens. Duke played about as horribly as it could have and, despite dreadful shooting overall as a team, arguably the nation's best player (Parker) scoring only 7 points, and being completely outmatched inside, the Blue Devils still had a chance to win on its final possession. Duke shot 42%. Without hot three-point shooting from Rod Hood and Quinn Cook, the team would've shot in the low 30s. Notre Dame, conversely, shot 50% from three and 53% overall. They had the hot hand and Duke couldn't keep up on this day.