MIT Shooting/Bombing Suspect Manhunt - Suspect 1: DEAD, Suspect 2: In Custody

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Apr 22, 2013 11:38 AM
gut;1431321 wrote:It actually is a pretty good comparison when you consider all the relative factors. It's not like they were searching 100k unoccupied homes, or dealing with a network of tunnels and caves.

Or if you want to talk about searches for the DC sniper, or even escaped convicts...much larger areas and far, far fewer people out looking.
Dynamics are not even close to the same. And how long did it take to find the DC sniper?
Apr 22, 2013 11:38am
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Apr 22, 2013 11:40 AM
Benny The Jet;1431322 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-valid-handgun-licenses-234648018.html

How is this even news? I hate the media sometimes. Basically they're saying that they didn't have license to carry their handguns. Here's a shocker, criminals who blow places/people up aren't going to go and register for a gun. Did they register for a license to make bombs? A license to kill? The media and gov. trying to push their agendas any chance they get. On the flip side, if they HAD been registered to carry, I'm betting the headline would have been "Gun loving NRA members go crazy and on a rampage!" Idiots.
If anything, it strengthens the argument on the pro-gun side, that no laws will stop criminals from getting guns.
Apr 22, 2013 11:40am
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Apr 22, 2013 11:48 AM
WebFire;1431346 wrote:Dynamics are not even close to the same. And how long did it take to find the DC sniper?
I believe it was around 20 days.

DC-metro is 5,500 square miles and 5.7 million people.
Apr 22, 2013 11:48am
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Apr 22, 2013 12:01 PM
I followed the news and the police scanner all day Friday, but attended a wedding that evening so I missed most of the action. We were all very glad to hear they found him and that he was alive. We had a toast for the bride and groom and a toast to Boston/'Merica, though the 2nd one was mostly just the drunkest people who were out on the dance floor.

I actually told several of my friends on the way to the church that my guess was he had found a little hiding spot and had fallen asleep after being awake for who knows how long. I wasn't too far off.
Apr 22, 2013 12:01pm
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Apr 22, 2013 1:22 PM
gut;1431228 wrote:It's 50 homes per 2000 teams of 4. Very doable.
Shouldn't have taken anytime at all if they weren't supposed to search any of them. Right?
Apr 22, 2013 1:22pm
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Apr 22, 2013 1:34 PM
White House says he will not be charged as an enemy combatant.

Charged with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction.
Apr 22, 2013 1:34pm
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Apr 22, 2013 2:39 PM
Glenn Beck releases some info on the Saudi that was deported. Check this out...
Sources say the Saudi’s student visa specifically allows him to go to school in Findlay, Ohio, though he appears to have an apartment in Boston, Massachusetts
My alma mater might be famous for something!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/22/beck-breaks-exclusive-information-on-saudi-national-allegedly-connected-to-boston-bombings/

http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-we-know-the-saudi-national-was-involved-in-the-bombing/?utm_source=feedly
Apr 22, 2013 2:39pm
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Apr 22, 2013 3:33 PM
Benny The Jet;1431322 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-valid-handgun-licenses-234648018.html

How is this even news? I hate the media sometimes. Basically they're saying that they didn't have license to carry their handguns. Here's a shocker, criminals who blow places/people up aren't going to go and register for a gun. Did they register for a license to make bombs? A license to kill? The media and gov. trying to push their agendas any chance they get. On the flip side, if they HAD been registered to carry, I'm betting the headline would have been "Gun loving NRA members go crazy and on a rampage!" Idiots.
It's too bad there isn't a law that makes this illegal. Oh, wait a minute...
Apr 22, 2013 3:33pm
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Apr 22, 2013 4:04 PM
WebFire;1431489 wrote:Glenn Beck releases some info on the Saudi that was deported. Check this out...
I assume that sort of thing happens A LOT with illegals disappearing after their visa is up. Well, it's estimated 300k people overstay their visa every year, not sure how many of those disappear.
Apr 22, 2013 4:04pm
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Apr 22, 2013 4:46 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted, just saw tamerlan is being looked into for an unsolved triple homicide in Waltham from 2011 involving one of his former boxing sparring partners.
Apr 22, 2013 4:46pm
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Apr 22, 2013 4:57 PM
Mulva;1431557 wrote:Sorry if this has already been posted, just saw tamerlan is being looked into for an unsolved triple homicide in Waltham from 2011 involving one of his former boxing sparring partners.
I read in between the lines in an article the other day how mysterious those 3 deaths were (it wasn't a main part of the article) and while the article wasn't trying to implicate him, the inference was definitely there to be had.
Apr 22, 2013 4:57pm
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Apr 22, 2013 8:59 PM
Mulva;1431557 wrote:Sorry if this has already been posted, just saw tamerlan is being looked into for an unsolved triple homicide in Waltham from 2011 involving one of his former boxing sparring partners.
It might have been nice if the Boston PD would have looked into him more closely at the time. If they end up piecing that case together quickly and pin him for it, then that will raise some questions as to why he wasn't questioned in 2011, especially considering that he was a former FBI target for possible terrorism and his sparring partner ends up dead in a triple homicide. Sounds like someone you might look into.
Apr 22, 2013 8:59pm
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Apr 23, 2013 1:29 AM
gut;1431228 wrote:It's 50 homes per 2000 teams of 4. Very doable.
4 is a little thin. 8 is better and even the minimum for some agencies, especially when dealing with someone as willing to die as this guy was. and dont forget, there is rest time, officers setting boundries and perimeters that arent doing any searching.
Apr 23, 2013 1:29am
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Apr 23, 2013 2:02 AM
Glory Days;1431880 wrote:4 is a little thin. 8 is better and even the minimum for some agencies, especially when dealing with someone as willing to die as this guy was. and dont forget, there is rest time, officers setting boundries and perimeters that arent doing any searching.
There's a video where they evacuated a house and searched all, like 12, people in it. Took 6 minutes. Looks to be about a team of 8. Every pic I've seen from the whole thing is handfuls of officers standing around picking their nose. But that is beside the point.

The simple fact remains, manhunt/missing person/escaped convict or whatever, they had it pinpointed to a relatively tiny location. That's why the lockdown and search were even feasible in the first place.
Apr 23, 2013 2:02am
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Apr 23, 2013 5:09 AM
OSH;1431886 wrote:Some first-hand stills of pics taken during the 1am shootout between the suspects and the police.

Amazing.

http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures

I was following AFitz on twitter that night. But some of those he didnt tweet that night. Crazy pics
Apr 23, 2013 5:09am
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Apr 23, 2013 8:43 AM
OSH;1431886 wrote:Some first-hand stills of pics taken during the 1am shootout between the suspects and the police.

Amazing.

http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures
So the older brother ran at the cops in a suicidal raid; so that the younger brother could get away?
Apr 23, 2013 8:43am
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Apr 23, 2013 8:47 AM
GoChiefs;1431444 wrote:White House says he will not be charged as an enemy combatant.

Charged with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction.
I get trying them for exploding a bomb, but really a WMD?
So, pressure cooker bombs are WMDs?
That is some blurring lines there on what else could be WMDs.
Could a grenade be a WMD? Or, how about a pipe bomb too?

Let's leave WMDs to the three classes: Chemical, Bio, and Nuclear.
Apr 23, 2013 8:47am
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Apr 23, 2013 8:52 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1431917 wrote:I get trying them for exploding a bomb, but really a WMD?
So, pressure cooker bombs are WMDs?
That is some blurring lines there on what else could be WMDs.
Could a grenade be a WMD? Or, how about a pipe bomb too?

Let's leave WMDs to the three classes: Chemical, Bio, and Nuclear.
Seriously? Why don't you go join their fucking bandwagon while you're at it.

Isn't a WMD a weapon of mass destruction? Dropping a fucking bomb in a crowded group of people isn't a weapon of mass destruction?

I get these guys didn't shoot a nuke at Watertown, MA. But to be upset they are being charged with WMD's? GTFOOHWTS!
Apr 23, 2013 8:52am
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Apr 23, 2013 9:00 AM
SportsAndLady;1431921 wrote:Seriously? Why don't you go join their fucking bandwagon while you're at it.

Isn't a WMD a weapon of mass destruction? Dropping a fucking bomb in a crowded group of people isn't a weapon of mass destruction?

I get these guys didn't shoot a nuke at Watertown, MA. But to be upset they are being charged with WMD's? GTFOOHWTS!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weapon+of+mass+destruction?s=t

a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel(nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)

I think Ptown is using the traditional definition of weapon of mass destruction.
Apr 23, 2013 9:00am
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Apr 23, 2013 9:03 AM
Who cares though? Lol he's almost upset that they are being charged w/ WMD's. It's like the idiots who are mad he wasn't read his miranda rights. Who gives a fuck????
Apr 23, 2013 9:03am
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Apr 23, 2013 9:08 AM
SportsAndLady;1431926 wrote:Who cares though? Lol he's almost upset that they are being charged w/ WMD's. It's like the idiots who are mad he wasn't read his miranda rights. Who gives a fuck????
I think he is just being technical. Although I'm not sure I like them expanding the definition of WMD's.
Apr 23, 2013 9:08am
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Apr 23, 2013 9:12 AM
FatHobbit;1431929 wrote:I think he is just being technical. Although I'm not sure I like them expanding the definition of WMD's.
Correct, legally and traditionally, a WMD is a chemical, bio, or nuclear weapon.
Let's just call the bombing what it was, a bomb. It wasn't a WMD in the classic sense, it was a bomb.

The dude should be locked up and then sent to death, and he will, but I'm not a fan of expanding the usage of WMD.
That language should be reversed for the worst of the worst weapons. Sorry for my narrow application of the word.
Apr 23, 2013 9:12am
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Apr 23, 2013 9:27 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1431930 wrote:Correct, legally and traditionally, a WMD is a chemical, bio, or nuclear weapon.
Let's just call the bombing what it was, a bomb. It wasn't a WMD in the classic sense, it was a bomb.

The dude should be locked up and then sent to death, and he will, but I'm not a fan of expanding the usage of WMD.
That language should be reversed for the worst of the worst weapons. Sorry for my narrow application of the word.

Technically, that is not all a WMD can be labeled as.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a

(2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;

Go to section 921.....
(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
Apr 23, 2013 9:27am