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MIT Shooting/Bombing Suspect Manhunt - Suspect 1: DEAD, Suspect 2: In Custody

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Apr 19, 2013 11:17 PM
BoatShoes;1430315 wrote:Why? The definition of terrorism is so broad under the Patriot Act that it includes "activities that are dangerous to human life and violate the criminal laws of the United States or any state."

So, any time a naturalized citizen/non-natural born citizen is suspected of violating a criminal law that amounts to such we should ignore the rights that were imbued upon him or her under the Constitution when they became naturalized citizens???

Their citizenship and the rights that go with it are revoked by fiat without a trial??

There has already been a case where the supreme court struck that down. INS was trying to revoke citizenship all willy nilly like and they were told to stop.
Apr 19, 2013 11:17pm
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Apr 19, 2013 11:20 PM
BoatShoes;1430315 wrote:Why? The definition of terrorism is so broad under the Patriot Act that it includes "activities that are dangerous to human life and violate the criminal laws of the United States or any state."

So, any time a naturalized citizen/non-natural born citizen is suspected of violating a criminal law that amounts to such we should ignore the rights that were imbued upon him or her under the Constitution when they became naturalized citizens???

Their citizenship and the rights that go with it are revoked by fiat without a trial??

Yes, because suspected of homicide is the same as planting two bombs that kill 3 people and injury many more, then massacre a cop in his car, then hijack a car, leading police on a chase while chucking bombs and grenades out the window while shooting at them heavily with automatic weapons, causing panic and shutting down an entire city while 9,000+ cops, FBI agents, homeland security, SWAT, and National Guard spend all day trying to search for you.

Yea, I see where they are exactly alike.
Apr 19, 2013 11:20pm
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Apr 19, 2013 11:37 PM
GoChiefs;1430320 wrote:Yes, because suspected of homicide is the same as planting two bombs that kill 3 people and injury many more, then massacre a cop in his car, then hijack a car, leading police on a chase while chucking bombs and grenades out the window while shooting at them heavily with automatic weapons, causing panic and shutting down an entire city while 9,000+ cops, FBI agents, homeland security, SWAT, and National Guard spend all day trying to search for you.

Yea, I see where they are exactly alike.
We have juries and rules of evidence and a legal system for a reason. Just in Boston they have had what appeared to be open and shut homicide cases that would've justified the type of suspension of rights based on your standard that have turned out to be just the opposite. Why don't you look up the Charles Stuart Murder.
Apr 19, 2013 11:37pm
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Apr 19, 2013 11:46 PM
Maybe I am mistaken, but pretty sure terrorists/ enemy combatants don't fall under the same constitutional umbrella as the rest of us. It disgusts me to see people wanting court justice for terrorists/ non Americans. Just cuz some dude got a judge to declare him a citizen doesn't make him a citizen. And when he declared war against America, he lost his rights to a fair and speedy trial. I'm also shocked that no one has commented on how the peaceful religion of Islam strikes again
Apr 19, 2013 11:46pm
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Apr 19, 2013 11:47 PM
BoatShoes;1430328 wrote:We have juries and rules of evidence and a legal system for a reason. Just in Boston they have had what appeared to be open and shut homicide cases that would've justified the type of suspension of rights based on your standard that have turned out to be just the opposite. Why don't you look up the Charles Stuart Murder.

Why don't you look up "still not even comparable."
Apr 19, 2013 11:47pm
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Apr 19, 2013 11:50 PM
WBC is a group of batshit crazy Batptists. Are all Baptists batshit crazy?

The US is a nation of laws and ideals, it times like this we cannot lower them based on circumstance. In the end he will get what he deserves.
Apr 19, 2013 11:50pm
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Apr 19, 2013 11:59 PM
Automatik;1430335 wrote: The US is a nation of laws and ideals, it times like this we cannot lower them based on circumstance. In the end he will get what he deserves.
^ Yes.

Damn shame though cuz it's at times like this that I would so love to embrace the concept of cruel and unusual punishment.
Apr 19, 2013 11:59pm
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Apr 20, 2013 12:04 AM
Also, I haven't seen any confirmation of him being Islamic or part of any radical group. In time, tons of info will be coming out.
Apr 20, 2013 12:04am
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Apr 20, 2013 6:57 AM
BoatShoes;1430328 wrote:We have juries and rules of evidence and a legal system for a reason. Just in Boston they have had what appeared to be open and shut homicide cases that would've justified the type of suspension of rights based on your standard that have turned out to be just the opposite. Why don't you look up the Charles Stuart Murder.
smh

iclfan2;1430331 wrote:Maybe I am mistaken, but pretty sure terrorists/ enemy combatants don't fall under the same constitutional umbrella as the rest of us. It disgusts me to see people wanting court justice for terrorists/ non Americans. Just cuz some dude got a judge to declare him a citizen doesn't make him a citizen. And when he declared war against America, he lost his rights to a fair and speedy trial. I'm also shocked that no one has commented on how the peaceful religion of Islam strikes again
This
Apr 20, 2013 6:57am
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Apr 20, 2013 8:05 AM
iclfan2;1430331 wrote:Maybe I am mistaken, but pretty sure terrorists/ enemy combatants don't fall under the same constitutional umbrella as the rest of us. It disgusts me to see people wanting court justice for terrorists/ non Americans. Just cuz some dude got a judge to declare him a citizen doesn't make him a citizen. And when he declared war against America, he lost his rights to a fair and speedy trial. I'm also shocked that no one has commented on how the peaceful religion of Islam strikes again
This post brings the lulz. Because the law made him a citizen after more than a decade of lawful residence and permanent residence absolutely means something. Do you not believe in the rule of law? Honestly at this point it is speculation that this is religiously or politically motivated. Could just want to see the world burn because they are losers like their uncle.

If Arnold Schwarzenegger or any other naturalized citizen who werent a muslim decided to go on a killing spree that satisified the definition of terrorism under the patriot act, I have my doubts that you would be so anxious to call them enemy combatants, etc.
Apr 20, 2013 8:05am
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Apr 20, 2013 8:13 AM
vball10set;1430363 wrote:smh




This
So what is your standard for how the government can justifiably and consistently treat naturalized citizens who commit multiple intentional homicides as an enemy combatant? If justin bieber throws a grenade into a crowd...being only a naturalized citizen...is he tried as an enemy of the united states engaged in combat?

"But hes not a mooozlim waging jihad boatshoes cuz we totally kniw for sure that iz what iz happenin h3r3."
Apr 20, 2013 8:13am
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Apr 20, 2013 8:24 AM
BoatShoes;1430371 wrote:So what is your standard for how the government can justifiably and consistently treat naturalized citizens who commit multiple intentional homicides as an enemy combatant? If justin bieber throws a grenade into a crowd...being only a naturalized citizen...is he tried as an enemy of the united states engaged in combat?

"But hes not a mooozlim waging jihad boatshoes cuz we totally kniw for sure that iz what iz happenin h3r3."
First of all, I don't like Justin Bieber, so he can be holding the grenade as it explodes for all I care. Secondly, get off your pulpit and see this case for what it is-a terrorist act against our Country. His rights were forfeited the minute he set that backpack down. Period.
Apr 20, 2013 8:24am
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Apr 20, 2013 8:48 AM
What's the penalty for treason multiplied by 3 murders with the addition of hundreds of attempted murders?

Also. If we keep embracing these fucks this will continue I happen.
Apr 20, 2013 8:48am
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Apr 20, 2013 9:47 AM
CNN said he was interviewed by the FBI before because a foreign country was worried he would commit an attack against them. He is a radical islamic, the older brother
Apr 20, 2013 9:47am
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Apr 20, 2013 9:54 AM
Automatik;1430340 wrote:Also, I haven't seen any confirmation of him being Islamic or part of any radical group. In time, tons of info will be coming out.
He is Islamic, however there is absolutely nothing (from what we know now) pointing to religion as the reasoning for this.
Apr 20, 2013 9:54am
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Apr 20, 2013 10:03 AM
Unfortunately this little turd has no swag with established terrorist networks - it will come out that him and his "Members Only" typical foreign douche brother did all this on their own. We gotta start making examples of these god damn non USA Americans and show the rest of their scum MOOZLUM brothers that if you're gonna live here we are gonna be up your assses 24/7 until you're so sick of daily surveilance you go back to whatever. Third world hell hole you crawled out of. And send SEALs to killl their old man too just top show we can if we want to.
Apr 20, 2013 10:03am
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Apr 20, 2013 10:06 AM
iclfan2;1430331 wrote: I'm also shocked that no one has commented on how the peaceful religion of Islam strikes again
Hypocrite. Did you blame the Newtown shootings on Christianity? What about the LA cop killer? Educate yourself before making fucking retarded statements. Not everything has to do with religion and not every religion should be defined by a few mentally fucked up people.
Apr 20, 2013 10:06am
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Apr 20, 2013 10:44 AM
Pick6;1430391 wrote:He is Islamic, however there is absolutely nothing (from what we know now) pointing to religion as the reasoning for this.
Muslim+Chechen

The Chechen Islamic Terrorists are probably one of the most horrific when it comes to attacking civilians.

Search for the Beslan Massacre, where they sexually assaulted and killed 350 civilians, ~175 were children
Apr 20, 2013 10:44am
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Apr 20, 2013 10:47 AM
LJ;1430409 wrote:Muslim+Chechen

The Chechen Islamic Terrorists are probably one of the most horrific when it comes to attacking civilians.

Search for the Beslan Massacre, where they sexually assaulted and killed 350 civilians, ~175 were children
I remember when that happened...super fucked up. Women, children....they don't care.
Apr 20, 2013 10:47am
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Apr 20, 2013 10:48 AM
LJ;1430409 wrote:Muslim+Chechen

The Chechen Islamic Terrorists are probably one of the most horrific when it comes to attacking civilians.

Search for the Beslan Massacre, where they sexually assaulted and killed 350 civilians, ~175 were children
Im aware.
Apr 20, 2013 10:48am
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Apr 20, 2013 10:50 AM
iclfan2;1430331 wrote:Just cuz some dude got a judge to declare him a citizen doesn't make him a citizen.
Oh, ok then.
Apr 20, 2013 10:50am
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Apr 20, 2013 10:53 AM
Automatik;1430411 wrote:I remember when that happened...super fucked up. Women, children....they don't care.
I don't think any terrorist is super concerned about who it is they're killing.
Apr 20, 2013 10:53am
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Apr 20, 2013 11:01 AM
LJ;1430265 wrote:I prefer the one where the indians tied the bottom of your intestine to a pole, made you run around it till you fell down, then set you on fire.
Ah, the Colonel Crawford treatment. We could learn a lot from them in how to wring out a true confession.
Apr 20, 2013 11:01am
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Apr 20, 2013 11:04 AM
Automatik;1430335 wrote:WBC is a group of batshit crazy Batptists. Are all Baptists batshit crazy?
Apr 20, 2013 11:04am
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Apr 20, 2013 11:05 AM
Everytime I see that clip of their asswipe father I wanna put one between that dickhead's eyes. The Uncle is acting all indignant just because he doesnt want people up his ass. Don't trust him either. Way too many ex-Russians whether they be Chechnyan, Takistani, Kazaki or whatever are currently all over the eastern seaboard and FL. We have got to turn off the faucet of allowing these shitbirds into the country.
Apr 20, 2013 11:05am