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MIT Shooting/Bombing Suspect Manhunt - Suspect 1: DEAD, Suspect 2: In Custody

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Apr 19, 2013 9:08 PM
Automatik;1430048 wrote:If he's naturalized then yes, he is American.

He spent the majority of his life here as well. Regardless, he will get what he deserves.
Legally maybe, in real life no, he's not an American. When you blow up innocent people with no regard to human kind your rights are revoked. Terrorists do not get protection...
Apr 19, 2013 9:08pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:09 PM
iclfan2;1430060 wrote:Legally maybe, in real life no, he's not an American. When you blow up innocent people with no regard to human kind your rights are revoked. Terrorists do not get protection...
I was talking legally. There are still laws, rules, and protocol to follow. You can't just throw everything out the window.

Like I said....this fuckhead will get his.
Apr 19, 2013 9:09pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:09 PM
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Apr 19, 2013 9:09pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:10 PM
Apr 19, 2013 9:10pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:10 PM
LJ;1430044 wrote:McVey didn't receive citizenship less than a year before bombing.
A citizen is a citizen.
Apr 19, 2013 9:10pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:11 PM
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Apr 19, 2013 9:11pm
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WebFire

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Apr 19, 2013 9:11 PM
Good job to all law enforcement involved. It seemed they really had their shit together (other then letting him get free to begin with, but that was so early in it). Most impressive was all levels working so well together. That isn't that common anymore.
Apr 19, 2013 9:11pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:12 PM
They are reporting he was injured in the shoot out last night.
Apr 19, 2013 9:12pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:13 PM
dlazz;1430069 wrote:A citizen is a citizen.
No it's not.
Apr 19, 2013 9:13pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:14 PM
LJ;1430074 wrote:No it's not.
In the eyes of the law, yes it is.
Apr 19, 2013 9:14pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:15 PM
dlazz;1430076 wrote:In the eyes of the law, yes it is.

No, its not
Apr 19, 2013 9:15pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:15 PM
Oh look. Now the OC is back to normal.
Apr 19, 2013 9:15pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:15 PM
WebFire;1430072 wrote:They are reporting he was injured in the shoot out last night.
Makes it even more bizarre that he got away for so long.
Apr 19, 2013 9:15pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:16 PM
I'm pretty fired up right now. I can't believe how quickly this went down.

I need to get some beers.
Apr 19, 2013 9:16pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:16 PM
WebFire;1430071 wrote:Good job to all law enforcement involved. It seemed they really had their shit together (other then letting him get free to begin with, but that was so early in it). Most impressive was all levels working so well together. That isn't that common anymore.

+1
Apr 19, 2013 9:16pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:17 PM
SportsAndLady;1430078 wrote:No, its not
Did LJ and you go to community college and get degrees in [everything] together?
Apr 19, 2013 9:17pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:17 PM
dlazz;1430076 wrote:In the eyes of the law, yes it is.
No, it's not
There are several reasons why a naturalized US citizen could lose his or her US citizenship. We feel it’s important to summarize these reasons. As a naturalized citizen, you went to all the trouble to get your US citizenship in the first place. We’d hate to see you lose it merely because you did something wrong you did not know about.

Membership in Subversive Groups: Your citizenship may be revoked if the U.S. government can prove that you joined a subversive organization within five years of becoming a naturalized citizen. Membership in such organizations is considered a violation of the oath of U.S. allegiance. Examples include the Nazi Party and Al Qaeda.


There are caveats to being a naturalized citizen vs natural born. A Federal judge can revoke a naturalized citizen's citizanship, they cannot revoke a natural born citizen's citizenship. If they declare an enemy combatant working with the Chechen Militants, he will no longer be a citizen.
Apr 19, 2013 9:17pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:19 PM
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Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:19 PM
GoChiefs;1430046 wrote:Fuck him. He gave up his rights when he decided to kill three people by planting a fucking bomb at the finish line of the Boston Marathon. He has no rights.
I can't believe this is where this thread is going to go, but do you think, say, the Newtown Shooter who killed more people should not have been tried through the criminal justice system and provided due process of law had he not been killed??

The criminal justice system will be plenty adequate as it would have been prior to all of the new terrorism laws prior to 9/11.
Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:19 PM
Automatik;1430082 wrote:I'm pretty fired up right now. I can't believe how quickly this went down.
I expected them to be identified pretty quick. Never imagined they would get them so fast.
Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 19, 2013 9:19 PM
LJ;1430084 wrote: If they declare an enemy combatant working with the Chechen Militants, he will no longer be a citizen.

They'd have to prove it, which would be challenging unless he flat out admits it. The PATRIOT act might carve out exceptions for "acts of terror" though which I never thought of until I read your previous post.
Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:20 PM
dlazz;1430085 wrote:Did LJ and you go to community college and get degrees in [everything] together?

No..
Apr 19, 2013 9:20pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:20 PM
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Apr 19, 2013 9:20pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:20 PM
LJ;1430084 wrote:No, it's not





There are caveats to being a naturalized citizen vs natural born. A Federal judge can revoke a naturalized citizen's citizanship, they cannot revoke a natural born citizen's citizenship. If they declare an enemy combatant working with the Chechen Militants, he will no longer be a citizen.
Why bother with having to prove to a federal judge that he is an enemy combatant and everything that goes with it when you could just prosecute him as a naturalized citizen and he will surely be convicted?
Apr 19, 2013 9:20pm
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Apr 19, 2013 9:21 PM
gut;1430089 wrote:I expected them to be identified pretty quick. Never imagined they would get them so fast.
Neither did I, but I also wouldn't have expected 10,000 cops and a lockdown of the city. Pretty crazy lengths.
Apr 19, 2013 9:21pm