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Apr 13, 2013 6:47 PM
IggyPride00;1424954 wrote:I want to punch this guy in the face that keeps yelling "redonkulous" after tee shots.

Augusta is too uppity....but I wish they would ban those idiots to the basement.
Apr 13, 2013 6:47pm
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Apr 13, 2013 7:05 PM
How many Masters would Fred Couples have under his belt if we eliminated Saturday? lol
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Apr 13, 2013 8:52 PM
ironman02;1424816 wrote:Because they didn't ask him his intent the first time. Once they found out that he dropped it two yards back, then they decided it was a violation. He thought he could drop anywhere within the same line behind the original spot, but it was a yellow hazard instead of a red, I think.
Tiger wanted the replayed shot to come down 4 yds shorter on the green than where the original one did. If he thought the rule that applied was that he could take it as far back as he wanted, why wouldn't he take it back 4 yds and hit the same shot. Because he knew that wasn't the rule, so he tried to take as much as he thought he "could get away with" which was 2 yards and try to take the other 2 yds off by slowing his swing. That incriminates him as far as knowing he was not keeping the rule strictly, and on purpose stretching the rule. He got caught, and the punishment was just. His plan would have worked perfectly, getting away with his cheating, had he not opened his mouth to explain his thoughts. That is why lawyers always advise not to admit fault. It was a conscious decision to place it there and not an inadvertent error.
Apr 13, 2013 8:52pm
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Apr 13, 2013 9:49 PM
mhs95_06;1425019 wrote:Tiger wanted the replayed shot to come down 4 yds shorter on the green than where the original one did. If he thought the rule that applied was that he could take it as far back as he wanted, why wouldn't he take it back 4 yds and hit the same shot. Because he knew that wasn't the rule, so he tried to take as much as he thought he "could get away with" which was 2 yards and try to take the other 2 yds off by slowing his swing. That incriminates him as far as knowing he was not keeping the rule strictly, and on purpose stretching the rule. He got caught, and the punishment was just. His plan would have worked perfectly, getting away with his cheating, had he not opened his mouth to explain his thoughts. That is why lawyers always advise not to admit fault. It was a conscious decision to place it there and not an inadvertent error.
I already said this earlier in the thread, but I believe he said he wanted to land it 2 yards shorter, which is why he dropped it 2 yards behind his original spot. In his mind, he thought he was simply allowed to hit from the same line, and didn't have to go to the same exact spot. It was his mistake. If the guy had the foresight to scheme this up right after he was completely enraged, I'm pretty sure he would have enough composure to continue to "cover up" his scheme in his post-round interview.

It was covered a million times today. He made a mistake. He misinterpreted the rule, he admitted that his drop was illegal once he realized it, and he was punished accordingly. It blows my mind that people think Tiger would just openly cheat right in front of millions of people and chance losing shots because of it. Why would he intentionally chance losing 2 strokes for 2 yards of distance? It doesn't make sense.

I hope he wins the damn thing tomorrow just to piss everyone off even more.
Apr 13, 2013 9:49pm
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Apr 13, 2013 10:12 PM
http://espn.go.com/golf/masters13/story/_/id/9168163/2013-masters-penalized-tiger-woods-right-ballgame-70

This is the last time I'm posting about this. I think this explains it pretty well. After hitting off the flagstick and into the water, Woods had three choices...

1. Play from the drop zone
2. Play from a straight line from where the ball went into the water
3. Play from the exact same spot

I think it's easily conceivable that since the ball ricocheted off at an angle before going into the water, that in the heat of the moment, Tiger simply screwed up. He played from a straight line from where he hit the ball, but the ricochet made that an incorrect position. He bascially combined two of the options because he was pissed beyond belief about what had just happened and unintentionally cost himself two shots.
Apr 13, 2013 10:12pm
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Apr 13, 2013 10:46 PM
No, he wanted to take 4 yds off the shot! Two with the cheating placement, and two by hitting the shot two yards shorter in total flight. That is what I clearly understood from hearing him say it. Here is what is reported to be the transcript of his interview after his round:

After the round, Woods said: "I went back to where I played it from, but I went 2 yards further back and I took, tried to take two yards off the shot of what I felt I hit.'' (hit being past tense)

So to me it is clear he wanted to land 4 yds shorter on the green, and his cheating plan was to try to get 2 by cheating and 2 by hitting it less hard. Clearly intentional, and maybe if the review committee would have more thoughtfully considered their ruling before he finished the round,they may have come to a different conclusion. Speaking of a big factor in a person's mind when he is considering cheating, would be previous history, and we know his personal integrity with his former wife is not very admirable!
Apr 13, 2013 10:46pm
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Apr 13, 2013 10:47 PM
Lol
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Apr 13, 2013 10:54 PM
Ironman92;1425096 wrote:Lol
This.
Apr 13, 2013 10:54pm
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Apr 13, 2013 10:58 PM
Do you not comprehend that if he mis-interpreted the rules and thought he could legally go as far back as he wanted he would have placed the ball 4 yds back, so thinking he could get away with 2 meant that he knew he was cheating?????
Apr 13, 2013 10:58pm
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Apr 13, 2013 11:05 PM
mhs95_06;1425102 wrote:Do you not comprehend that if he mis-interpreted the rules and thought he could legally go as far back as he wanted he would have placed the ball 4 yds back, so thinking he could get away with 2 meant that he knew he was cheating?????
No, I don't think it means that at all. You're interpreting his comment one way, and I'm interpreting it another. If you can explain to me why he would risk losing two strokes for two yards (or four yards, in your opinion) of distance, then maybe I'll change my viewpoint. It just doesn't make sense to risk that for basically no change.

The end result is that he was penalized. If he was cheating or if he simply made a dumb mistake, HE STILL GOT PENALIZED. If the officials would've done their job before he signed his card, he would've lost the two strokes right then instead of the next morning.
Apr 13, 2013 11:05pm
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Apr 13, 2013 11:05 PM
Do you not comprehend that blatantly cheating is the dumbest thing in the world. Why would he intentionally risk a 2 stroke penalty? Anyone who thinks he cheated on purpose is a full on retard, sorry. No way a guy goes out there in front of thousands (millions if you count TV) and openly and obviously breaks a rule like that. The risk is so great. He thought what he was doing was legal.

Its more likely he didnt want to go 4 yards back because the ground might have been a different lie and he was obviously the lie and shot he had just hit.
Apr 13, 2013 11:05pm
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Apr 13, 2013 11:09 PM
Also, it is EASY to interpret a different way.

"I went 2 yards further back and I took, tried to take two yards off the shot of what I felt I hit"

You can easily read that as him saying he went to yards further and then the next part is reinforcing that statement by saying that was him trying to take 2 yards off the shot.
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Apr 13, 2013 11:09 PM
Laley23;1425108 wrote:Also, it is EASY to interpret a different way.

"I went 2 yards further back and I took, tried to take two yards off the shot of what I felt I hit"

You can easily read that as him saying he went to yards further and then the next part is reinforcing that statement by saying that was him trying to take 2 yards off the shot.
Which is exactly how I interpret it, especially after hearing him say it live.
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Apr 13, 2013 11:13 PM
I'm saying that in his mind he thought the 4 yards was blatant, and the 2 yards he could probably get away with, which is proven that he would have by the committee's original ruling. But then he opened his mouth and his plot was exposed and was foiled!
Apr 13, 2013 11:13pm
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Apr 13, 2013 11:17 PM
mhs95_06;1425111 wrote:I'm saying that in his mind he thought the 4 yards was blatant, and the 2 yards he could probably get away with, which is proven that he would have by the committee's original ruling. But then he opened his mouth and his plot was exposed and was foiled!
So you think the risk of a 2 stroke penalty in The Masters was put up against a drop 2 yards closer to the pin on a scale of risk/reward and came out on top in Tigers mind?

Send in the roflcopter immediately, lol. That is pretty conspiracy theory-esque thinking.
Apr 13, 2013 11:17pm
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Apr 13, 2013 11:23 PM
So I would say that two reasonable people can hear the same statement and reasonably interpret it differently. But I don't think that the one that reasonably thinks it exposes a thought process of cheating is a "full on retard"!

Risking 2 yds for 2 strokes is pretty stupid, but he probably had a much better chance to get away with it than his other more stupid, more consequential, cheating on his wife.
Apr 13, 2013 11:23pm
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Apr 13, 2013 11:28 PM
mhs95_06;1425118 wrote:So I would say that two reasonable people can hear the same statement and reasonably interpret it differently. But I don't think that the one that reasonably thinks it exposes a thought process of cheating is a "full on retard"!

Risking 2 yds for 2 strokes is pretty stupid, but he probably had a much better chance to get away with it than his other more stupid, more consequential, cheating on his wife.
I'm not Tiger Woods and neither are you, so neither of us can say for sure exactly what he was thinking. I'm also not an expert on how Tiger makes his decisions on distance control, so I don't know if he was trying to compensate for the distance through the drop and by dialing back his swing, or just through the drop. Either way, we can agree to disagree. The end result is that it cost him two shots because he made a dumb mistake, or because he got caught trying to cut corners. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine.

I do think that if he was truly lying, he would've tried to wiggle his way out of what he said in the interview when the rules committee talked to him this morning. He said to them exactly what he said to Rinaldi in his post-round interview. If you were cheating and trying to cover it up, why would you tell on yourself twice, especially the second time when you know it's about to cost you two strokes?
Apr 13, 2013 11:28pm
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Apr 13, 2013 11:44 PM
ironman02;1425061 wrote:I hope he wins the damn thing tomorrow just to piss everyone off even more.
This, and mhs95_06, are you for real?
Apr 13, 2013 11:44pm
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Apr 14, 2013 12:19 AM
Here's to hoping Tiger struggles tomorrow and is nowhere in the top 20! I think the "Tiger = ratings and is the only reason people watch golf" argument is hilarious. It survived before him and it will survive without him(like it has the past few years).
Apr 14, 2013 12:19am
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Apr 14, 2013 12:21 AM
Round 3 is done, and you guys are still talking about this fucking drop?
Apr 14, 2013 12:21am
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Apr 14, 2013 12:43 AM
DeyDurkie5;1425183 wrote:Round 3 is done, and you guys are still talking about this ****ing drop?

This. I know it was a big story, but damn, the dude had what may have been a great shot go in the water and had a 2 stroke penalty added. Hitting the flagstick at least has cost him 3 strokes and maybe 4. People need to let it go that he is some evil person or a cheater because of this(looking at golf only obvi) and just get back to the best tournament of the year.
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Apr 14, 2013 12:44 AM
ironman02;1425121 wrote:I'm not Tiger Woods and neither are you, so neither of us can say for sure exactly what he was thinking. I'm also not an expert on how Tiger makes his decisions on distance control, so I don't know if he was trying to compensate for the distance through the drop and by dialing back his swing, or just through the drop. Either way, we can agree to disagree. The end result is that it cost him two shots because he made a dumb mistake, or because he got caught trying to cut corners. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine.

I do think that if he was truly lying, he would've tried to wiggle his way out of what he said in the interview when the rules committee talked to him this morning. He said to them exactly what he said to Rinaldi in his post-round interview. If you were cheating and trying to cover it up, why would you tell on yourself twice, especially the second time when you know it's about to cost you two strokes?
I think he was already on record in his statement right after theround, and had been "had" by then and tried to cut his losses, rather than trying to further tangle the web that we weave when we practice to deceive! I hope they were sharp enough to question his intent of his statement -- did he really mean that he was trying to land it 2 yds or 4 yds shorter? If so, that is where he might have started to wiggle.
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Apr 14, 2013 12:47 AM
vball10set;1425135 wrote:This, and mhs95_06, are you for real?
Yes, those are my real feelings.
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Apr 14, 2013 8:35 AM
mhs95_06;1425211 wrote:Yes, those are my real feelings.
Okay, just checking.
Apr 14, 2013 8:35am
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Apr 14, 2013 9:29 AM
Question of the day: if you ever won a green jacket, what would you do with it? I would wear that thing everywhere I went. I would rarely take it off in public and would wear it to play every round of golf for the rest of my life.
Apr 14, 2013 9:29am