They should line up him, the Aurora shooter, and Gabby Giffords shooter along a wall and just execute them. Any mass murderer that doesn't kill themselves after should be dealt with this way. Much cheaper to kill them and cremate them than it is to keep them in prison for life.

justincredible;1410739 wrote:I understand his point, I don't necessarily agree with it. I guess he hopes I get raped in prison for disagreeing with him.

What part do you not agree with? It's definitely a hypocritical viewpoint.

Mulva;1410802 wrote:What part do you not agree with? It's definitely a hypocritical viewpoint.

So you have a problem with "an eye for an eye?"

Mulva;1410802 wrote:What part do you not agree with? It's definitely a hypocritical viewpoint.

I'm fine with it being hypocritical. The guy deserves everything he gets. Sorry.

So having no issue with a murderer of children getting the "Roethlisberger treatment" in prison = wanting ALL criminals, regardless of the crime, to get that same treatment. Got it ! :rolleyes:

I'm on the side against "prison justice." Prisoners are in the custody of the state or of a private corporation (in the instance of privately run prisons). They should be afforded reasonable protection and living arrangements despite their incarceration. This doesn't mean that they need luxury by any means, I'm speaking about basic human/constitutional rights. But the whole notion of prison justice and the too frequent occurrence of rape in prison just goes to show how lacking our industrial prison complex in America is.

Furthermore, the fact that we as a country have the highest incarceration rate in the world exacerbates the problem as we are subjecting more people to these conditions.

I don't see anything "good" coming out of prison justice. Rape is something that we have a country have taken a strong moral opposition to (rightfully so) and punish pretty severely. But yet too many people have some perverted notion of justice that they think in certain instances it's ok. I don't think our prisons should be allowing for this kind of situation, and if it is something that we really wanted to crack down on I doubt it would be hard to do.

The rape isn't benefiting the victim of the original crime. The rape would most certainly be considered cruel and unusual punishment under our constitution. The prisoner committing the rape certainly isn't getting anything beneficial besides being allowed to commit a crime (which isn't a good thing especially if you believe that our justice system including imprisonment has any notion of "rehabilitation").

I just don't buy into the "ya, wait till Bubba gets him" mentality.

But even if a person is of the opinion that it's okay in the instance of a few select group of individuals (like this kid, or someone who rapes little kids so it's okay to rape them), it would be foolish to pretend that prison rape is limited to those individuals. It truly is an epidemic and a huge flaw in our prison system. With the rate that we incarcerate people, and the idea that people should probably come out of prison better (not worse) than they went into prison, I don't understand how anyone can not want the problem of prison rape to be addressed and attempts to fix it.

BR1986FB;1410821 wrote:So having no issue with a murderer of children getting the "Roethlisberger treatment" in prison = wanting ALL criminals, regardless of the crime, to get that same treatment. Got it ! :rolleyes:

I addressed this in the last part of my post. But to condone it in certain instances either provides for one of two scenarios.

Either whoever is running the prison (state or private corporation) is knowingly violating the constitutional rights of an American citizen by condoning and permitting cruel and unusual punishment.

Or, whoever is running the prison (State or private corporation) is so negligent in the running of the facilities that they don't know when it is happening, and prison rape will happen in more circumstances than just the limited ones you say it is "okay" for. This will result in many crimes being committed while incarcerated. This allows for more injustice (people committing crimes not being appropriately punished). The rape of individuals who are in prison for lesser crimes will have adverse physical (obviously) and psychological effects on these "undeserving" victims. This can lead to a situation where a person comes out of prison more screwed up than they went in and can lead to a vicious cycle and probably reincarceration and thus completing the circle for America's industrial prison complex.

Mixed feelings here. I don't seem to have the need for vengence vs. justice in a case where I know none of the parties that some here seem to have. OTOH, if something bad were to happen to this guy in prison, I'd sleep like a baby.

Fly4Fun;1410851 wrote:I just don't buy into the "ya, wait till Bubba gets him" mentality.

Pretty much the whole point of your post with a lot of tl;dr surrounding it.

We're not surprised by your stance. It's against the rules. You're a rule meister.

Commander of Awesome;1410856 wrote:Pretty much the whole point of your post with a lot of tl;dr surrounding it.

We're not surprised by your stance. It's against the rules. You're a rule meister.

If you bothered to read some of the "tl;dr" you would have learned it's more than the rules. It's about basic human rights. It's about the nature of our prison system in the US. It's about the problems that can result from unchecked "prison justice" in light of the fact that we incarcerate people at the highest rate and expose them to these situations. It's about the problems that result of trying to re-integrate people into a civil society when the situation they just came from has a rampant problem of prison rape and acknowledging the adverse psychological effects that has and the future problems it can create.

Raw Dawgin' it;1410814 wrote:So you have a problem with "an eye for an eye?"

Yes, because we're supposed to be a civilized society. I would expect the "good" people to hold themselves to a higher standard than the rapists and murderers rather than stooping to their moral level. Also, except for the most extreme cases (like this one), the prisoner is going to be released back into the public at some point. I don't think sexually assaulting a criminal in prison is especially conducive to reforming them into a more productive member of society.

Also, the "throw him in with Bubba" mindset isn't even close to an eye for an eye in most cases. An eye for an eye would be that the rapist himself gets raped and that's the end of it. No prison involved. Not that they get locked in a cage for 10 years and raped on top of that.

This kid's crime was murder, and his sentence is that he will die in prison. He won't have another minute of freedom until that point. The only difference is in the timing of the death and whether or not the state will actively carry it out. That seems pretty appropriate to me.

Fly4Fun;1410864 wrote:If you bothered to read some of the "tl;dr" you would have learned it's more than the rules. It's about basic human rights. It's about the nature of our prison system in the US. It's about the problems that can result from unchecked "prison justice" in light of the fact that we incarcerate people at the highest rate and expose them to these situations. It's about the problems that result of trying to re-integrate people into a civil society when the situation they just came from has a rampant problem of prison rape and acknowledging the adverse psychological effects that has and the future problems it can create.

Oh I read it, and then broke it down so the rest of the OC wouldn't have to. Glad to know you feel so strongly about the POS and worry about him being integrated back into society. I'm more concerned with the victims and preventing school shootings.

Commander of Awesome;1410866 wrote:Oh I read it, and then broke it down so the rest of the OC wouldn't have to. Glad to know you feel so strongly about the POS and worry about him being integrated back into society. I'm more concerned with the victims and preventing school shootings.

Thanks for the cliff notes on his post. Def didnt want to read his tl:dr post when it's him just spewing the same typical shit.