And here I thought StLouie would be offended over someone stealing his welfare

fan_from_texas;1415169 wrote:Who thinks that? I thought everyone knew that total comp in the public sector was better.

The next time I hear about all of those "poor underpaid and under-appreciated cops and teachers" - for obvious example - I'll get back to you.

believer;1415268 wrote:The next time I hear about all of those "poor underpaid and under-appreciated cops and teachers" - for obvious example - I'll get back to you.

Teachers that put in their time aren't underpaid. They may certainly be for the first 4-5 years, but with coaching and other extracurriculars it isn't that difficult to get $50,000/year now in many poorer districts, and in wealthy districts 6 figures isn't unattainable. But more importantly the gold-plated pensions and healthcare that many enjoyed at one point would be worth close to 7 figures from an actuarial standpoint.

That said, for newer teachers it is going to be more of a struggle. The excessive promises won't continue forever, and from what I understand hasn't.

Manhattan Buckeye;1415273 wrote:Teachers that put in their time aren't underpaid. They may certainly be for the first 4-5 years, but with coaching and other extracurriculars it isn't that difficult to get $50,000/year now in many poorer districts, and in wealthy districts 6 figures isn't unattainable. But more importantly the gold-plated pensions and healthcare that many enjoyed at one point would be worth close to 7 figures from an actuarial standpoint.

I know this to be fact. My parents-in-law are poor retired teachers who allegedly barely squeaked by before they retired.

Now they rake in nice pensions, paid cash for 2 new cars, and bought a brand new house in Carolina Beach, NC.

They don't understand why I laugh when they still complain about barely getting by.

Rough life.

^^^

My father is 65. He could easily live another 30 years (I hope he does) - and even if he doesn't my mother would get survivor benefits. His current pension + benefits is very, very close to the 6 figure level and without question from an actuarial value it is a well above $1,000,000 premium.

We definitely struggled in the late 70's/early 80's due to the inflationary Carter years, but always had food on the table and not once, not once in my father's life did he worry about his job going away (that has to be worth something intangibly in itself). We were never rich, but never had to worry. My wife and I are technically "rich" and we're constantly nervous that one or both of our jobs will go away each and every week. Most of my friends that are partners at large law firms are nervous wrecks.

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/study-health-overhaul-raise-claims-cost-32-pct-1

medical claims cost to rise by 80% in Ohio under obamacare.


Change we can believe in ....

Manhattan Buckeye;1415275 wrote:^^^

My father is 65. He could easily live another 30 years (I hope he does) - and even if he doesn't my mother would get survivor benefits. His current pension + benefits is very, very close to the 6 figure level and without question from an actuarial value it is a well above $1,000,000 premium.

We definitely struggled in the late 70's/early 80's due to the inflationary Carter years, but always had food on the table and not once, not once in my father's life did he worry about his job going away (that has to be worth something intangibly in itself). We were never rich, but never had to worry. My wife and I are technically "rich" and we're constantly nervous that one or both of our jobs will go away each and every week. Most of my friends that are partners at large law firms are nervous wrecks.

Good For You Manhattan Buckeye.

Manhattan Buckeye;1415275 wrote: My wife and I are technically "rich" and we're constantly nervous that one or both of our jobs will go away each and every week. Most of my friends that are partners at large law firms are nervous wrecks.

This. I just left firm life and now work at a utility. While not a government job, it's closer to that than many private sector jobs. The intangible comp/qol benefits are simply amazing.

Here are some astounding numbers for those of you who believe the economy is recovering.

These media corporations’ task is to use propaganda and misinformation to protect the interests of the status quo. The ruling class has the power to manipulate public opinion, obscure the truth, alter government data, and outright lie, but they can’t control the facts and reality smacking the average person in the face every day. Based on the performance of the stock market and the storyline of economic recovery being peddled by the corporate media, the facts must surely support their contention. Here are a few facts about what has really happened in the last six months since I wrote my article:

• The working age population has grown by 1.1 million, the number of employed Americans is up 500k, while the number of people who have left the labor force has gone up by 600k. The BLS reports the unemployment rate has fallen without blinking an eye or turning red with embarrassment.
• The number of Americans entering the Food Stamp Program in the last six months totaled 1 million, bringing the total to 47.8 million, or 20% of all households (up 15 million since the Obama economic recovery began in December 2009).
• Existing home sales have increased by a scintillating 2.9% on a seasonally adjusted annual basis and average prices have fallen by 6% in the last six months. It is surely a great sign that 32% of all home sales are to Wall Street investors and 25% are either foreclosure sales or short sales. A large percentage of the remaining sales are funded by 3% down FHA government backed loans.
• There were 31,000 new homes sales in January versus 34,000 new home sales six months prior. Through the magic of seasonal adjustment, this translates into a 15% increase.
• Single family housing starts were 41,600 in February versus 51,400 six months prior. Even using seasonal adjustments, the government drones can only report a pathetic 4.7% annualized increase and flat starts over the last three months, with mortgage rates at all-time lows.
• The National Debt has gone up by $750 billion in the last six months, while Real GDP has gone up by less than $150 billion.
• Real hourly earnings have not increased in the last six months.
• Consumer debt has risen by $65 billion as the Federal Government has doled out student loans like candy and auto loans (through the 80% government owned Ally Financial – aka GMAC, aka Ditech, aka ResCap) like crack dealer in West Philly.
• The Federal Reserve has increased their balance sheet by $385 billion in the last six months by buying toxic mortgages from Wall Street banks and the majority of Treasuries issued by the government to fund the $1 trillion annual deficits being produced by the Obama administration. It now totals $3.2 trillion, up from $900 billion in September 2008, and headed to $4 trillion before this year is out.
• Retail sales have increased by less than 2% over the last six months and are barely 1% above last February. On an inflation adjusted basis, retail sales are falling. Other than internet sales and government financed auto sales, every other retail category is negative year over year. This is reflected in the poor sales and earnings reports from JC Penney, Sears, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, Lowes, Kohl’s, Darden, McDonalds, and Yum Brands. I’m sure next quarter will be gangbusters, with the Obama payroll tax increase, Obamacare premium increases, 15% surge in gasoline prices, and continued inflation in food and energy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-26/guest-post-available

Number of democratic posters on the Poli forum. 2. 3 if you include me. But im more of a conservative democrat if there is such a thing. I like my guns.

Zero Hedge is an excellent website. They can be a bit "bearish" at times but they always back up their posts, I try to catch it once a week or so.

Big_Mirg_ZHS;1415413 wrote:Number of democratic posters on the Poli forum. 2. 3 if you include me. But im more of a conservative democrat if there is such a thing. I like my guns.

Hater

Manhattan Buckeye;1415275 wrote:Most of my friends that are partners at large law firms are nervous wrecks.

They aren't the only ones. Most everyone in the private sector is running scared these days.

believer;1415536 wrote:They aren't the only ones. Most everyone in the private sector is running scared these days.

Pretty much everyone except those with well-diversified income streams, but even they aren't particularly happy.

QuakerOats;1415430 wrote:Hater

Derp!

Heretic;1415722 wrote:Derp!

You didn't get it I guess ......... move along

WSJ: Food Stamps Swell -- as Economy 'Improves'...

Disability the new welfare...

Jobless claims rise...



There's some nice numbers.


Change we can believe in ...

QuakerOats;1415430 wrote:Hater

What is there to get here?? Im lost as well.

Derp.

sleeper;1402640 wrote:The top 1% of earners pay 35% of all federal income taxes. The top 10% of earners pay 73% of all federal income taxes. The top 53% of earners pay 100% of all federal income taxes.

The bottom 47% pay no federal income tax, complain about the top 53% not paying their "fair share", and cast votes for the Democrats.

+1000

Manhattan Buckeye;1415266 wrote:100%

The percentage of stlouiedipalma posts that repeat the same thing over and over again - "we repeat the same arguments over and over again and I don't understand why you do it."

0%

The percentage of stlouidipalma posts that actually address the topic at hand, and refute these same, tired arguments.

See also this thread:

http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?39442-Comsumer-Financial-Protection-Bureau-..-wants-to-take-your-money/page2

Is this part of Alinsky's scheme? When confronted with argument you don't like and can't refute - just say who cares?

Who cares? Is that better for you? Now you can resume your mindless rants over all things liberal.

.45 ammo 3000 rounds
380 ammo 1500 rounds
9mm ammo 1000 rounds
223 ammo 500 round
12 gage 200 rounds

From my cold death hand

Belly35;1416381 wrote:.45 ammo 3000 rounds
380 ammo 1500 rounds
9mm ammo 1000 rounds
223 ammo 500 round
12 gage 200 rounds

From my cold death hand mofo

fixed

O-Trap;1402770 wrote:In 2003, the Department of the Treasury's financial report had a section titled "Unreconciled Transactions Affecting the Change in Net Position" which added up to approximately $24,500,000,000 in 2003 dollars.

Between 1997 and 2003, the DOD purchased, and then didn't use, roughly 270,000 commercial airline tickets ... the combined purchase value of which was approximately $100,000,000. $100 million in UNUSED tickets.

A recent audit showed that employees of the USDA diverted millions of dollars to personal purchases through their government-issued credit cards. A sampling of 300 employees' purchases over six months led investigators to estimate that 15 percent abused their government credit cards at a cost of $5.8 million. Taxpayer-funded purchases included Ozzy Osbourne concert tickets, tattoos, lingerie, bartender school tuition, car payments, and cash advances.

Over the course of 18 months, the DOD found that Air Force and Navy personnel had used their government-issued credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for strippers and/or hookers.

Just wastage of money. need to be tackled seriously in such economic crises situation

HarveyDawson;1426760 wrote:Just wastage of money. need to be tackled seriously in such economic crises situation

543 --- murders in Chicago thus far in 2017


177% -- increase in family med. insurance premiums since '08 (which is 14 times the inflation rate)


203% -- increase in family med. insurance deductibles since '08 ( 16 times the inflation rate)


.105 --- combined batting average of Lindor and Ramirez vs. Yanks