ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 23, 2009 10:56am
Depends on the make and model, to which you are referring. My Honda Accord is made with 75% American parts.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:How exactly are foreign automakers more American again? I'm dying to hear this logic.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Dec 23, 2009 10:56am
No, re-read his post.Con_Alma wrote: Employ more and manufacture more was not the original point, was it?
It thought defining the amount of U.S. manufactured components in an auto was what was being clarified.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 23, 2009 10:57am
Again... depends on make and model.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:I already posted on the Huyndai thread about domestic part content.
Honda is the highest with 59% for foreigners. Toyota is only 48%
Ford and GM are both 75% and CHrysler is 74%.
There's no comparison.
C
Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Dec 23, 2009 11:00am
Although literally by him saying "parts made in the US" means volume after considering your response regarding percentage I interpreted the point being the amount of parts per car or percentage of parts per car made in the U.S.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:I already posted on the Huyndai thread about domestic part content.mcburg93 wrote:
If you count people working in the plants you might be right. But as far as parts made in the us I would have to say toyota is most american made.
You have your opinions but dont be blinded by them
Honda is the highest with 59% for foreigners. Toyota is only 48%
Ford and GM are both 75% and CHrysler is 74%.
There's no comparison.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Dec 23, 2009 11:09am
ernest_t_bass wrote:Again... depends on make and model.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:I already posted on the Huyndai thread about domestic part content.
Honda is the highest with 59% for foreigners. Toyota is only 48%
Ford and GM are both 75% and CHrysler is 74%.
There's no comparison.
It doesn't just depend on make an model b/c then you're picking and choosing which numbers you want to display. You gotta look at the whole picture.
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gobucks
Posts: 38
Dec 23, 2009 12:37pm
It doesn't just depend on make an model b/c then you're picking and choosing which numbers you want to display. You gotta look at the whole picture.
Zwick
Very few want to look at the whole picture.
Zwick
Very few want to look at the whole picture.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 23, 2009 1:13pm
Again, and I seem to always have to end my side of this argument with this...ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:It doesn't just depend on make an model b/c then you're picking and choosing which numbers you want to display. You gotta look at the whole picture.
From where I grew up, Honda is a huge provider of income. They support that county and surrounding counties. If any of the BIG 3 go out of business, there is a pick-up in my home town. Doesn't make me feel bad, one bit.
As far as "picking models and numbers," you can look at it both ways. Statistics can always tell the story you want to tell. ALWAYS.
So, in conclusion... I respect your opinion, as it is valid. Just not the way that I choose to live my own (car buying side of) life.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 23, 2009 4:06pm
Wake up Zwick...your living in the 80's. the problem is not Japan anymore it's China. Even if the company is Japanese owned, they come here invest in our country, build plants here...employ American workers. Not the case with China.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Dec 23, 2009 4:13pm
China would if they ever could break the American Auto market (they're still a ways off).HitsRus wrote: Wake up Zwick...your living in the 80's. the problem is not Japan anymore it's China. Even if the company is Japanese owned, they come here invest in our country, build plants here...employ American workers. Not the case with China.
Japan is just as much of the problem as anyone else. Our governments more to blame than anyone else though.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 23, 2009 8:23pm
The car market is so globalized that only half of the top domestic parts and manufactured cars are actually Detroit owned. Toyota and Honda have 5 in the top 10. One of the best selling cars in the country...the Toyota Camry is the #1 auto in terms of domestic parts and manufacture.Moreover these companies make their vehicles here...pay taxes and employ workers. If you are worried that the profit go exclusively to Japan, that is simply not the case. Both are publicly traded companies on the NYSE...meaning investors from all over the world own the company. Americans can and do buy shares of Toyota and Honda.
China is the real danger as their workers are paid ridiculously substandard wages such that workers/companies in other countries...including Japan cannot compete.
China is the real danger as their workers are paid ridiculously substandard wages such that workers/companies in other countries...including Japan cannot compete.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 23, 2009 8:42pm
Why do you have quotations by approval?
nc52
Posts: 419
Dec 23, 2009 10:06pm
NAFTA
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 23, 2009 10:32pm
Because I wanted to get some responses a lot quicker, and technically, "approval" from you (the moderator of the politics forum) is what I would need, before I could get actual responses to this thread.LJ wrote: Why do you have quotations by approval?
Also, and I didn't mention this in my original post, there is more traffic on this forum. So, it was an argument/inquiry that I wanted more people to see.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Dec 23, 2009 10:33pm
There is more traffic here, but not necessarily better traffic for a question like this.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 23, 2009 10:48pm
There's a reason for the approval process. A post like this would have no problem getting approval, but doing something like this is just going to get the poltics forum shut down by the administrator, who only agreed to a poltics forum if someone were to take full responsibility for it.ernest_t_bass wrote:Because I wanted to get some responses a lot quicker, and technically, "approval" from you (the moderator of the politics forum) is what I would need, before I could get actual responses to this thread.LJ wrote: Why do you have quotations by approval?
Also, and I didn't mention this in my original post, there is more traffic on this forum. So, it was an argument/inquiry that I wanted more people to see.
And saying "'approval'" is condescending
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Dec 23, 2009 10:53pm
You are a jackass.BigAppleBuckeye wrote: Because for 8 years , the face of the American brand looked like this:
Doesn't exactly instill consumer confidence ...
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 23, 2009 10:57pm
I didn't want to wait for approval to get responses. I had a thread yesterday that went half the day, which is fine, but for this one, I wanted to get responses. It isn't really "political" but it could belong in the political forum. If it is moved there, it doesn't bother me one bit. But, since I wanted to see people's opinions quicker, I started it in the Serious Business forum.
Yes, I said "approval." Is that not what I have to have, in order for a thread to go through on the politics forum? I wasn't waiting for approval of the thread topic, but of the thread itself.
Yes, I said "approval." Is that not what I have to have, in order for a thread to go through on the politics forum? I wasn't waiting for approval of the thread topic, but of the thread itself.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 23, 2009 11:04pm
All I am saying is that the other mods of this forum may get pissed off if you start posting things in the wrong forum just because you don't like the rules of the forum it belongs in.ernest_t_bass wrote: I didn't want to wait for approval to get responses. I had a thread yesterday that went half the day, which is fine, but for this one, I wanted to get responses. It isn't really "political" but it could belong in the political forum. If it is moved there, it doesn't bother me one bit. But, since I wanted to see people's opinions quicker, I started it in the Serious Business forum.
Yes, I said "approval." Is that not what I have to have, in order for a thread to go through on the politics forum? I wasn't waiting for approval of the thread topic, but of the thread itself.
And yes, your thread has to be approved as well as the topic. There is no need to try to portray irony with the approval process in the politics forum through the use of quotations.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 23, 2009 11:13pm
Are you saying this belongs in the politics forum?
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Dec 25, 2009 1:19pm
If the UAW would not have bankrupt two of the big three, I assume not as many people would be buying Japanese cars.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
Any b/c u buy jap cars.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Dec 25, 2009 1:59pm
It may be condescending but it's the truth.LJ wrote:There's a reason for the approval process. A post like this would have no problem getting approval, but doing something like this is just going to get the poltics forum shut down by the administrator, who only agreed to a poltics forum if someone were to take full responsibility for it.
And saying "'approval'" is condescending
Political topics need your "approval" before they go live. You act as a "gate keeper" and you can approve or reject topics at your discretion. That's censorship.
It seems odd FREE Huddle needs someone to approve political topics before they go live, but if I want to start a thread on boobs, booties, etc. on the "serious business" forum I can do that without hassle.
The way I see it, political topics should be given the same treatment. If the banter on the political thread gets out of control I can see putting the hammer down but getting a mod's "permission" before a political topic goes live is what's truly condescending.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 25, 2009 2:02pm
wow! That really goes on in the politics forum?believer wrote: ut it's the truth.
Political topics need your "approval" before they go live. You act as a "gate keeper" and you can approve or reject topics at your discretion. That's censorship.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 25, 2009 2:09pm
kritzell wrote: Well, a lot of Japanese/German companies are building cars here now. Even Hyundai is now.
ernest_t_bass wrote:Glad you at least answered the question there. Our view points are different, and b/c of that, are both valid in our own minds.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Well the obvious answer is competition from foreign markets. Companies can't afford to manufacture products here if they want to stay in business. If X company makes a product for $1 and sells its for 5 and Y company makes its for $4 and sells it for 6, Y isn't long for this world.
Any b/c u buy jap cars.
I drive Honda (that to which Zwick is referring). I grew up near the Honda plants, so they support that community. In my eyes, I support Ohio labor by purchasing Honda. I will always buy Honda.
jordo212000 wrote:The "foreign" automakers are now more American than the American companies. I won't be buying an American car anytime soon for that very reason.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Well the obvious answer is competition from foreign markets. Companies can't afford to manufacture products here if they want to stay in business. If X company makes a product for $1 and sells its for 5 and Y company makes its for $4 and sells it for 6, Y isn't long for this world.
Any b/c u buy jap cars.
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:And how exactly is this? I love when people make blind statements without the slightest of clues of what they're talking about.jordo212000 wrote: The "foreign" automakers are now more American than the American companies. I won't be buying an American car anytime soon for that very reason.
American Auto employs more Americans, has a hire domestic part contents on autos sold in America, has an astronomically larger number of retired Americans on pension...
How exactly are foreign automakers more American again? I'm dying to hear this logic.
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:I already posted on the Huyndai thread about domestic part content.mcburg93 wrote:
If you count people working in the plants you might be right. But as far as parts made in the us I would have to say toyota is most american made.
You have your opinions but dont be blinded by them
Honda is the highest with 59% for foreigners. Toyota is only 48%
Ford and GM are both 75% and CHrysler is 74%.
There's no comparison.
Whats funny is when you look at the car companies, nothing is american like it used to be. that goes for the cars built here by both american and foreign companies. hey thats great they were built here, maybe even with parts built here. but take a closer look at where the materials come from. take a look at the where the machines that build these cars and parts came from...not america. it used to be that cars were 100% american down the steel they were forged from, now we are arguing that some cars are such and such a percent more american that others. thats pathetic.ernest_t_bass wrote:Depends on the make and model, to which you are referring. My Honda Accord is made with 75% American parts.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:How exactly are foreign automakers more American again? I'm dying to hear this logic.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 25, 2009 2:11pm
It has nothing to do with the topic on hand, unless it is something that doesn't belong in the politics forum at all. There is NO topic or subject matter censorship in the Politics forum. You may think there is, but tell me, what topic has not been allowed? Please, I am waiting for you to provide proof of this censorship that you claim.believer wrote:It may be condescending but it's the truth.LJ wrote:There's a reason for the approval process. A post like this would have no problem getting approval, but doing something like this is just going to get the poltics forum shut down by the administrator, who only agreed to a poltics forum if someone were to take full responsibility for it.
And saying "'approval'" is condescending
Political topics need your "approval" before they go live. You act as a "gate keeper" and you can approve or reject topics at your discretion. That's censorship.
It seems odd FREE Huddle needs someone to approve political topics before they go live, but if I want to start a thread on boobs, booties, etc. on the "serious business" forum I can do that without hassle.
The way I see it, political topics should be given the same treatment. If the banter on the political thread gets out of control I can see putting the hammer down but getting a mod's "permission" before a political topic goes live is what's truly condescending.
You know, it's quite shitty of some of you to say what you say, when the ONLY reason there is a poitics forum on this website is because I said I would moderate it, The baseless accusations that I censor topics and that I moderate based on my political beliefs is absolute bullshit and quite insulting.
Your claim is baseless and bullshit. No topic is censored, topics are approved on the basis of followng the rules, no more, no less.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Dec 25, 2009 2:15pm
Good then let the topics go "live" immediately and move them to the 'appropriate" forum if they don't belong on the political forum...problem solved and feelings don't get hurt.LJ wrote:Your claim is baseless and bullshit. No topic is censored, topics are approved on the basis of followng the rules, no more, no less.