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rydawg5

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Feb 19, 2013 9:05 PM
I was a bookkeeper for 7 years. I decided I didn't make enough money. I applied to be a recruiter. I interviewed 2 times. The 2nd interview theme "how can you be in sales when you are a bookkeeper"

I didn't get the job. I was pissed. I quit the bookkeeping job and took a 100% commission job anyone with a head could get. I doubled the money I made at the commssion job than I had made with the bookkeeping job.

7 months into the shit commission job, I got a job offer from a great job with Commission/Salary - I took it and it's been the best move I've ever made and am making more money than ever before.

So thank you recruiting job for turning me down.
Feb 19, 2013 9:05pm
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MontyBrunswick

Feb 19, 2013 9:06 PM
gport_tennis;1392619 wrote:none of the jobs our clients have available right now pay less than $30 an hour. You wouldn't know that though because we are evil.
I dealt with a recruiting agency after I graduated and they were less than helpful.

I don't doubt that you have clients that pay well. They are also probably nearly all project/contract jobs with no benefits, hence the inflated hourly rate. I'm not interested, and you are useless (to me, anyway).
Feb 19, 2013 9:06pm
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MontyBrunswick

Feb 19, 2013 9:08 PM
SportsAndLady;1392605 wrote:For an entry level job (I'm assuming this is what you're going for)
No, I have a few years of experience under my belt.
Feb 19, 2013 9:08pm
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gport_tennis

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Feb 19, 2013 9:15 PM
dlazz;1392638 wrote:I dealt with a recruiting agency after I graduated and they were less than helpful.

I don't doubt that you have clients that pay well. They are also probably nearly all project/contract jobs with no benefits, hence the inflated hourly rate. I'm not interested, and you are useless (to me, anyway).

Little bit of everything. Some direct hire, some contract, some contract-2-hire.

Recruiters probably call you a lot because you have an american name and will be easier to deal with than most of the foreign it crowd
Feb 19, 2013 9:15pm
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MontyBrunswick

Feb 19, 2013 9:16 PM
gport_tennis;1392647 wrote:Little bit of everything. Some direct hire, some contract, some contract-2-hire.

Recruiters probably call you a lot because you have an american name and will be easier to deal with than most of the foreign it crowd
That I will agree with.
Feb 19, 2013 9:16pm
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Automatik

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Feb 19, 2013 9:36 PM
gport_tennis;1392647 wrote:Little bit of everything. Some direct hire, some contract, some contract-2-hire.

Recruiters probably call you a lot because you have an american name and will be easier to deal with than most of the foreign it crowd
So you only deal with IT?

Dammit!
Feb 19, 2013 9:36pm
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O-Trap

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Feb 19, 2013 9:47 PM
I've known of good recruiter experiences at the corporate level, but it does seem like there are a LOT of them who focus on the lower level IT niche.
Feb 19, 2013 9:47pm
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Feb 19, 2013 9:49 PM
O-Trap;1392665 wrote:I've known of good recruiter experiences at the corporate level, but it does seem like there are a LOT of them who focus on the lower level IT niche.
And temp, immediate hire, office drone type work.

Recruiters for legit jobs are out there, just fewer compared to what we mentioned....hence why I asked about them in this thread. I'm dealing with two right now in Columbus, so far solid leads are few and far between
Feb 19, 2013 9:49pm
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Feb 19, 2013 9:53 PM
Automatik;1392668 wrote:And temp, immediate hire, office drone type work.

Recruiters for legit jobs are out there, just fewer compared to what we mentioned....hence why I asked about them in this thread. I'm dealing with two right now in Columbus, so far solid leads are few and far between
Yeah, it's certainly a predatory dynamic by definition (any tier-2 setup is going to be), but it can indeed have its advantages if you find the right circumstances.
Feb 19, 2013 9:53pm
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Automatik

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Feb 19, 2013 9:58 PM
Just curious, what is a "tier-2 setup" in the recruiting world? Is this a dumb question? lol
Feb 19, 2013 9:58pm
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Feb 19, 2013 10:02 PM
Automatik;1392676 wrote:Just curious, what is a "tier-2 setup" in the recruiting world? Is this a dumb question? lol
I believe all recruiting is tier-2. It's used to describe an instance where you get paid for services rendered (Tier 1), and the person who referred you also gets paid for your services rendered (Tier 2).

It's fairly common in affiliate marketing and is also often a selling point for pyramid schemes/MLMs.
Feb 19, 2013 10:02pm
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Shane Falco

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Feb 20, 2013 10:45 AM
Petroleum relocation engineer. 19 years. Set my own hrs. Show up and go home when ever I want .Very few weekends (if I do work on Sat. its because I want to). Great pay. 5 weeks pd vacation per yr
I do however scrap barnacles off of boats on a parttime gig.
Feb 20, 2013 10:45am
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Feb 20, 2013 10:53 AM
Shane Falco;1392898 wrote:I do however scrap barnacles off of boats on a parttime gig.
I see what you did there.
Feb 20, 2013 10:53am
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Feb 20, 2013 12:17 PM
Currently unemployed and looking.

Worst feeling in the world to not be a provider for your family.
Feb 20, 2013 12:17pm
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Feb 20, 2013 12:24 PM
scoreboard;1392957 wrote:Currently unemployed and looking.

Worst feeling in the world to not be a provider for your family.
Wish you the best
Feb 20, 2013 12:24pm
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Feb 20, 2013 1:38 PM
scoreboard;1392957 wrote:Currently unemployed and looking.

Worst feeling in the world to not be a provider for your family.

What field you lookin in?
Feb 20, 2013 1:38pm
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Feb 20, 2013 9:15 PM
scoreboard;1392957 wrote:Currently unemployed and looking.

Worst feeling in the world to not be a provider for your family.
I feel like I'm there. Had a big breakdown a couple weeks ago about it. Career changes suck...is where my mind is at.
Feb 20, 2013 9:15pm
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like_that

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Feb 20, 2013 9:18 PM
Federal Contract Specialist. Not sure if I like it or not. Probably really won't like it when we get furloughed.
Feb 20, 2013 9:18pm
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friendfromlowry

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Feb 21, 2013 1:07 AM
scoreboard;1392957 wrote:Currently unemployed and looking.

Worst feeling in the world to not be a provider for your family.
I watched my dad go through the same about 6-8 years ago. Normally a soft-spoken, laid-back guy became very anxious and frustrated.
Feb 21, 2013 1:07am
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Feb 21, 2013 2:00 AM
scoreboard;1392957 wrote:Currently unemployed and looking.

Worst feeling in the world to not be a provider for your family.
Did this for most of 2010. It's a tough position. All I can tell you is to keep searching even when it's hard to get motivated. In the meantime, maybe even find ways to grab spare income here and there. Odd jobs, temp work, selling personal possessions ... none of those are fun, but they can help while you work to get yourself employed again.
Feb 21, 2013 2:00am
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Feb 21, 2013 3:31 AM
friendfromlowry;1393458 wrote:I watched my dad go through the same about 6-8 years ago. Normally a soft-spoken, laid-back guy became very anxious and frustrated.
Try being under the age of 30 today, particularly under 25. My sister-in-law (will be 24 in June) graduated with honors from the University of Virginia in Econ, got a Masters at St Andrews in Econ, received a Summer internship at Morgan Stanley in London where fewer than 10% of interns got full offers (she was one of the 90% that didn't). She's spent the past 3 months living in her parents basement (or with us), sending out dozens of resumes a day and can't even get an interview anywhere in any industry.

She isn't an exception. Most of her friends from both schools are unemployed, living at home or seeking out more education to try to postpone entering the horrid job market. This is not going to end well when we have a generation of people that aren't working and developing skills - with the whipsaw that many of them are graduating with backbreaking debt.
Feb 21, 2013 3:31am
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MontyBrunswick

Feb 21, 2013 7:35 AM
There's jobs out there, it just seems like the only ones that are out there are for
1) recent high-school grads (low paying/non-skilled work)
2) skilled/experienced work.


There's virtually nothing in between. Even when those jobs do show up, they usually overstate their requirements to weed out the avalanche of resumes they're about to receive.
Feb 21, 2013 7:35am
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Feb 21, 2013 7:59 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1393463 wrote:Try being under the age of 30 today, particularly under 25. My sister-in-law (will be 24 in June) graduated with honors from the University of Virginia in Econ, got a Masters at St Andrews in Econ, received a Summer internship at Morgan Stanley in London where fewer than 10% of interns got full offers (she was one of the 90% that didn't). She's spent the past 3 months living in her parents basement (or with us), sending out dozens of resumes a day and can't even get an interview anywhere in any industry.

She isn't an exception. Most of her friends from both schools are unemployed, living at home or seeking out more education to try to postpone entering the horrid job market. This is not going to end well when we have a generation of people that aren't working and developing skills - with the whipsaw that many of them are graduating with backbreaking debt.
What does she want to do? Where does she want to live?
Feb 21, 2013 7:59am
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Feb 21, 2013 8:19 AM
She would prefer to live in London (where we are moving in a few weeks - she's welcome to stay with us) but getting a work visa in the EU/UK zone is next to impossible for a non-citizen. Similar with Asia (although she doesn't want to move there), as DLazz mentioned above if you want to get a work visa you're going to need to have a sponsor that will support a 6 figure salaried job - something young recent graduates aren't likely going to receive.

It is also complicated by the fact that her boyfriend (Italian citizen) is going to get another graduate degree in London so he's located there at least until his education visa expires which is probably another year or so and she wants to be near him.

Still, she's targeting New York, Washington and other east coast markets. She interned as an equity analyst and has very good modeling and analysis skills....10 years ago she would have no problem getting a position at one of the big banks or hedge/private equity shops. Those jobs are quite scarce now.
Feb 21, 2013 8:19am
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Feb 21, 2013 9:37 AM
That makes it far more difficult to get a job internationally as a US citizen. Her field is pretty impossible to get a job in unless she has experience(beyond an internship) or a rock solid inside connection.


I mean I graduated college about 2 years ago and I can list about 40 people right now that all have college degrees and are waiting tables at Bob Evans. The only way to get a job out of college is major in STEM, particularly the engineering field OR have a connection inside a company that happens to be hiring. Heck, one of the biggest dumbasses I know from Ohio State skated by with a shitty GPA in chemical engineering and now he probably makes more than I do. The only reason I have my current job is because I knew someone that worked here and got myself in front of someone for an interview.
Feb 21, 2013 9:37am