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Feb 21, 2013 10:41 AM
Automatik;1392668 wrote:And temp, immediate hire, office drone type work.

Recruiters for legit jobs are out there, just fewer compared to what we mentioned....hence why I asked about them in this thread. I'm dealing with two right now in Columbus, so far solid leads are few and far between
I've had good luck with Search Masters in Cleveland, but they are mostly around high level technical jobs (engineering, engineering managers, etc).

Worst case you could give them a call and see if they have any recommendations for reputable firms in the Columbus area. Search Masters only serves NE Ohio as far as I know.
Feb 21, 2013 10:41am
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Feb 21, 2013 10:47 AM
SportsAndLady;1392605 wrote:For an entry level job (I'm assuming this is what you're going for)..honestly just memorize the 5-6 interview questions they'll inevitably ask you and tell them you'll work hard. If they see you care for the opportunity, that'll be enough to hire you. I interviewed for 4 jobs out of college and got offered at 3 (****ing Cavs). Then interviewed for 3 jobs after that first job, and got an offer at all 3. I basically just tell them I'm excited to rise through your company and they see that I'll work hard.

Then when you get it...don't do any of it.
I've had similar results. Out of college I only interviewed at 2 places, got both offers.

When I finished my MS I interviewed at one place (first place I really liked what they did) and got the offer on the spot.

4 years later I interviewed at 2 places, got both offers (other guy still wanted to get me on retainer in helping him develop the combustion systems for small household heaters/furnaces).

4 years later I intereviewed at 1 place, and got the offer.

Since I graduated college I have got an offer at every place I interviewed, and the last few places I have had some pretty stiff compensation requirements (high end of the range for my experience level).

It is all about interview skills and having a good set of experiences. Your resume gets the interview, your interviewing skills gets you the job.
Feb 21, 2013 10:47am
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Feb 21, 2013 10:53 AM
sleeper;1393511 wrote:That makes it far more difficult to get a job internationally as a US citizen. Her field is pretty impossible to get a job in unless she has experience(beyond an internship) or a rock solid inside connection.


I mean I graduated college about 2 years ago and I can list about 40 people right now that all have college degrees and are waiting tables at Bob Evans. The only way to get a job out of college is major in STEM, particularly the engineering field OR have a connection inside a company that happens to be hiring. Heck, one of the biggest dumbasses I know from Ohio State skated by with a ****ty GPA in chemical engineering and now he probably makes more than I do. The only reason I have my current job is because I knew someone that worked here and got myself in front of someone for an interview.
1. To be fair, a shitty GPA in chemical engineering equates to about a 3.9 in business.
2. You are correct, the national unemployment rate for engineers right now is <3% while the national average is still around 8%.

You have to really try hard to be an engineer and be unemployed (read be lazy).
Feb 21, 2013 10:53am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:06 AM
I had to go through a whole recruiting process that took months to get my internship in accounting.My roommates (engineering majors) just submit their resume to the school and they have employers calling them with a phone interview for the internship. Would have been nice for it to be that easy for me, but I feel like I have made a few connections through the recruiting process if I ever need them, plus I most interns get hired as long as you show competence, so I cant complain.
Feb 21, 2013 11:06am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:33 AM
jmog;1393556 wrote:1. To be fair, a shitty GPA in chemical engineering equates to about a 3.9 in business.
lol, no chance. Most engineering classes are built on a heavy curve, so even a shitty GPA shouldn't be had in Chem Eng. The problem is, companies are so desperate for engineering talent that it doesn't care about GPA; just that you have a degree in engineering.
Feb 21, 2013 11:33am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:40 AM
for several years i have been trying to steer students more towards thinking of starting their own business/product as opposed to going to college. Especially with the rise in the cost of college.
Feb 21, 2013 11:40am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:54 AM
Cows?

And if that business/idea fails? Even if going the entrepreneur route, I still think college is a must.
Feb 21, 2013 11:54am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:57 AM
Automatik;1393617 wrote:Cows?

And if that business/idea fails? Even if going the entrepreneur route, I still think college is a must.
Cows have a good ROI. I know a few very successful entrepreneur's who have no college (but trade school), but that is the exception, not the rule, IMO.
Feb 21, 2013 11:57am
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Feb 21, 2013 12:26 PM
sleeper;1393601 wrote:lol, no chance. Most engineering classes are built on a heavy curve, so even a ****ty GPA shouldn't be had in Chem Eng. The problem is, companies are so desperate for engineering talent that it doesn't care about GPA; just that you have a degree in engineering.
Most chemical engineers that couldn't hack it and failed out went over to the business school and had >3.0 GPAs in business.

So it most certainly is true.

Also, the "curve" in engineering is because of exams have to be done in an hour (2 hrs for finals) and you can't possibly get 4 problems done in an hour when each one by itself typically takes an hour if it were a homework problem.

Its a time thing on exams is the reason for a curve in engineering.

Those that went on from a BS in engineering and then got a MBA or masters in finance laughed about how easy their business/finance classes were in contrast to engineering.

I thought the same with regards to the micro and macro economics classes we had to take as an undergrad engineer, but figured that was just 2 classes and not the whole sample.
Feb 21, 2013 12:26pm
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Feb 21, 2013 12:37 PM
jmog;1393641 wrote:
I thought the same with regards to the micro and macro economics classes we had to take as an undergrad engineer, but figured that was just 2 classes and not the whole sample.
I slept through my economics classes and still got an A.

Obviously an engineering major and all of the math background is going to prepare them for finance classes.
Feb 21, 2013 12:37pm
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Feb 21, 2013 12:38 PM
Most chemical engineers that couldn't hack it and failed out went over to the business school and had >3.0 GPAs in business.
Oh I'd love to see a chemical engineer with a 2.1 GPA come into the business college at Ohio State and get a 3.0+ GPA. Maybe they can at whatever shitty school you went to (Marietta college? LOL), but not at a real college. :thumbdown:
Feb 21, 2013 12:38pm
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Feb 21, 2013 1:26 PM
Pick6;1393618 wrote:Cows have a good ROI. I know a few very successful entrepreneur's who have no college (but trade school), but that is the exception, not the rule, IMO.
I actually see the opposite. Of all the entrepreneurs I know, the most successful ones either didn't graduate from college, or they never attended. Not that I think a college career has to hurt you, but I do think that graduating with a lot of debt can cause one to opt for the "safe" route of just going to work for someone else.
Feb 21, 2013 1:26pm
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Feb 21, 2013 1:28 PM
sleeper;1393652 wrote:Oh I'd love to see a chemical engineer with a 2.1 GPA come into the business college at Ohio State and get a 3.0+ GPA. Maybe they can at whatever ****ty school you went to (Marietta college? LOL), but not at a real college. :thumbdown:
I went the first 2 years at OSU and when I decided to go into chemical polymer engineering I transferred to Akron U. They were the top school in the nation for poly eng.

I had >3.6 at both schools.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but while certain disciplines in business (finance being one of them) are very tough majors (especially when compared to education, history, psych, etc) engineering is most definitely that much harder.

No one fails out of business and switches to engineering. It is always the other way around.
Feb 21, 2013 1:28pm
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Feb 21, 2013 1:32 PM
jmog;1393690 wrote:I went the first 2 years at OSU and when I decided to go into chemical polymer engineering I transferred to Akron U. They were the top school in the nation for poly eng.

I had >3.6 at both schools.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but while certain disciplines in business (finance being one of them) are very tough majors (especially when compared to education, history, psych, etc) engineering is most definitely that much harder.

No one fails out of business and switches to engineering. It is always the other way around.
Sure engineering is harder. No one is arguing that. :cool:
Feb 21, 2013 1:32pm
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Feb 21, 2013 1:34 PM
In sleeper's defense, OSU does have a really sharp business school.

Still, my only frame of reference is a friend who switched from Chem Eng to business at OSU and he did say that business was easier.
Feb 21, 2013 1:34pm
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Feb 21, 2013 2:03 PM
I work for a Fortune 500 company as an Applications Developer/Analyst... basically a computer programmer/analyst.

I primarily support the Supply Planning and Demand Planning, Purchasing, VMI, Inventory, Make-to-demand type of areas. I work with Oracle technologies and use languages such as PL/SQL, Unix, Linux, Java, and SQL, as well as countless applications, to research, design, develop, test, and implement systems for both internal projects and acquisitions.

I'll have been here 5 years in June. I love my job, what I do, the people with whom I work, and the company for which I work.
Feb 21, 2013 2:03pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:03 PM
O-Trap;1393696 wrote:In sleeper's defense, OSU does have a really sharp business school.

Still, my only frame of reference is a friend who switched from Chem Eng to business at OSU and he did say that business was easier.
Yes, but a shitty GPA in Chem Eng DOES NOT EQUAL a 3.9 GPA at Fisher.
Feb 21, 2013 3:03pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:08 PM
sleeper;1393755 wrote:Yes, but a shitty GPA in Chem Eng DOES NOT EQUAL a 3.9 GPA at Fisher.
Since I don't know what this guy's GPA was, I can't say I have any knowledge.

Out of curiosity, do you know of any substantiation to what WOULD be an adequate comparison?
Feb 21, 2013 3:08pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:09 PM
sleeper;1393755 wrote:Yes, but a ****ty GPA in Chem Eng DOES NOT EQUAL a 3.9 GPA at Fisher.
Maybe not a 3.9, but the GPA will most definitely be MUCH higher given that the effort level is equal before and after the switch in major.
Feb 21, 2013 3:09pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:12 PM
jmog;1393764 wrote:Maybe not a 3.9, but the GPA will most definitely be MUCH higher given that the effort level is equal before and after the switch in major.
I'm glad you have recognized your mistake and have taken corrective action to rectify this mistake in a public manner.
Feb 21, 2013 3:12pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:13 PM
O-Trap;1393760 wrote:Since I don't know what this guy's GPA was, I can't say I have any knowledge.

Out of curiosity, do you know of any substantiation to what WOULD be an adequate comparison?
A few points higher. The business college is primarily strong in Finance and Operations Management; if someone comes in and takes Marketing they won't get a job anyway so their GPA is irrelevant.
Feb 21, 2013 3:13pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:18 PM
sleeper;1393767 wrote:I'm glad you have recognized your mistake and have taken corrective action to rectify this mistake in a public manner.
Your first reply to my 3.9 comment did not mention a particular school. At most good engineering schools this would definitely be the case.

Then, in typical sleeper fashion, you move the goalposts and make it only about OSU which happens to have a top notch business school as well.

I still say, even at OSU, a 2.0 in chem eng would be a 3.0 or higher in business.

I say 2.0 and not lower because at good engineering schools Ds are not accepted, it goes from C to F.
Feb 21, 2013 3:18pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:27 PM
jmog;1393776 wrote:Your first reply to my 3.9 comment did not mention a particular school. At most good engineering schools this would definitely be the case.

Then, in typical sleeper fashion, you move the goalposts and make it only about OSU which happens to have a top notch business school as well.

I still say, even at OSU, a 2.0 in chem eng would be a 3.0 or higher in business.

I say 2.0 and not lower because at good engineering schools Ds are not accepted, it goes from C to F.
Oh Christ. Well shit if we are allowed to move the goal posts, I could take a 2.0 Marketing major from OSU and send them to a community college majoring in Biochemical Nuclear Fusion Physics and have them get a 4.0 GPA; and then say "Oh look at how easy engineering is, that a marketing major could struggle in MARKETING(lol <- MARKETING = JOKE/FRAUD) but get an 4.0 GPA in SCIENCE." Do I need to lay everything out for you? You'd think an engineer from the prestigious Akron University(where dat?) could make an accurate comparison with the facts already laid out in a reasonable manner. :laugh:
Feb 21, 2013 3:27pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:38 PM
The dumbest person in my class at Kellogg is smarter than any engineer from fucking Akron.

How's that, you pretentious asshole?
Feb 21, 2013 3:38pm
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Feb 21, 2013 3:41 PM
queencitybuckeye;1393788 wrote:The dumbest person in my class at Kellogg is smarter than any engineer from fucking Akron.

How's that, you pretentious asshole?
Shit just got real.
Feb 21, 2013 3:41pm