sleeper;1400496 wrote:I'm sorry that you were not able to extract the full value of your master's degree from the greatest institution on the planet. Perhaps you should look inward when accounting for the "pathetic" education you received at OSU. Many others have benefited greatly for the university's strong academic reputation and many others have earned a solid education to allow them to be leaders in their respective fields. Thank you for your tuition money though; I enjoyed the nicest dorms, recreation centers, sports teams and a solid base of academic knowledge because of the money others have contributed before me.

FatHobbit;1400497 wrote:I'm curious to know what was pathetic about her undergrad curriculum and experience?

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1400506 wrote:Huge lectures - even in upperclass 300-400 level courses, very little access to professors, inability to schedule classes becuse not enough sections are offered, etc. For what is now basically private school tuition, it is way overpriced.

sleeper;1400410 wrote:Also, churches should not be labeled as non-profits. They are money making machines that sell a fraudulent service to its uneducated mentally handicapped customers. Only in religion can a business take advantage of handicapped people and get away with it.

FatHobbit;1400509 wrote:What was her major? I guess it's been 10+ years since I went to OSU but my major classes always had 30-40 people. The professors and TA's all had office hours. I remember having to wait to talk to them but I was always able to talk to them if I tried.

I also remember people complaining about scheduling, but for the classes I was not able to get into during scheduling, if I attended the class I was always able to get in. (I did have a friend who was a nurse and if she had failed and her classes were in order, so had she failed a class or not gotten in she would have had to wait a year to take the next class she needed.)

FatHobbit;1400509 wrote:What was her major? I guess it's been 10+ years since I went to OSU but my major classes always had 30-40 people. The professors and TA's all had office hours. I remember having to wait to talk to them but I was always able to talk to them if I tried.

I also remember people complaining about scheduling, but for the classes I was not able to get into during scheduling, if I attended the class I was always able to get in. (I did have a friend who was a nurse and if she had failed and her classes were in order, so had she failed a class or not gotten in she would have had to wait a year to take the next class she needed.)

OSH;1400514 wrote:Maybe he's talking about Ohio State's main campus in Columbus and not OSU-Mansfield.

OSH;1400511 wrote:There are many uneducated people that attend higher education institutions and pay tens of thousands of dollars per year for a piece of paper, that typically doesn't pan out for NUMEROUS years. That seems to be taking advantage of people. There are many people who continue to give to those same institutions, much more money than is what is probably given to any religious institution too. I haven't even mentioned, nor have you (sleeper) about the taxpayer's money that goes to "fund" public higher education institutions -- only to have that negated by hundreds of thousands of dollars invested by the consumer to pay for a publicly funded degree! People have paid twice for the same degree!

They all file the same paperwork. Look at the NFL, same thing. NCAA, same thing. It is too easy to pick out "non-profits" who act as the total opposite without even bringing any religious congregations into the argument. I know it is part of your (sleeper) schtick, but you could at least make it a better argument than what you have.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1400520 wrote:I think in the last 10 years, the branch campuses are getting a lot more interest. You get the benefit of a smaller setting. You are far away from the great football coach in Columbus, but smaller classrooms can outweigh this.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1400520 wrote:I think in the last 10 years, the branch campuses are getting a lot more interest. You get the benefit of a smaller setting. You are far away from the great football coach in Columbus, but smaller classrooms can outweigh this.

sleeper;1400521 wrote:I have already stated I would support legislation privatizing Ohio State and absolving it of it's tax payer funded mechanisms. Ohio State would likely have to raise their prices in order to offer the same excellent academic and athletic environment it currently provides but it would still be absolutely worth it no matter the cost.

sleeper;1400523 wrote:Studies have validated that smaller classroom sizes add zero value to the education process over larger classrooms. If you need smaller classrooms to succeed, please go to the nearest community college and end up working at McDonalds the rest of your life. We don't need your kind diluting the value of a degree from a prestigious university like Ohio State.

They don't have to raise their costs for anything. But they will. Oh, raise ticket prices for football games...that means the fan environment is going to get better huh? Not. Everything rises and they continue to screw the consumers. Thank you capitalism.

There are absolutely NO studies that "validate" student preference. You are wrong.

sleeper;1400535 wrote:How can they screw the consumer? The consumer has a choice to exchange their capital for a service or a good. If the price for the service/good is above the value that the consumer is willing to pay, they have a choice not to purchase the good. If the producer can earn more money by charging more money for a good/service, then good for them! Ohio State football is an elite brand of athletics that can utilize premium pricing since the demand is off the charts. If anything, Ohio State has been generous in keeping ticket prices down despite ever increasing demand. I don't mind the increase if Ohio State feels they can make more money and enhance the university with the newly generated revenue.

sleeper;1400539 wrote:Except we aren't talking about student preference, we are talking about value added. If you don't want an elite education because you prefer smaller classroom sizes(which studies have correlated highly with their irrelevancy), then please go to your local community college. Ohio State has plenty of demand and doesn't need the people who bitch about classroom sizes being too big for them. You know most mentally handicapped people utilize smaller classrooms sizes and I'm not implying anything with that comment just saying.

Wrong. Intercollegiate athletics is based around the educational atmosphere. If it has become elite and become its own business, then the educational institution's decisions shouldn't affect a pasttime, entertainment, or a proprietary business. The "consumer" (i.e., student) has no choice in the matter that hundreds of thousands of dollars of their tuition money helps fund athletic endeavors -- and ones that surpass hundreds of millions of dollars.

Value added...institutional choice is completely up to the student. A student can value smaller classrooms. So...there it is. Not too hard to understand, but maybe they didn't teach you logic at the "best school in the nation." There are absolutely ZERO studies showing that there are benefits to larger classrooms over smaller classrooms. Your "studies" claim is absolutely absurd. But, this is your act. I don't know why I give in.

sleeper;1400559 wrote:The Ohio State athletic department keeps its finances separate from the university. I love your ignorance and hatred; I can feel it and I love it!

sleeper;1400563 wrote:Let me sum this up for you. If you don't want bigger classrooms don't go to Ohio State. You also clearly have no idea what "value added" means. I would be surprise if you are currently employed with a salary; what **** hole of a school did you attend?

OSH;1400583 wrote:I sure do know what "value added" means. I also recruit WAY more students to institutions than you do. I know what students look for. There clearly is value to smaller classrooms, financially and educationally.

Keep on believing that. All departments aren't truly "separate." If you knew the higher education industry, you'd know that.

I work in higher education. I also have substantial research in the structuring of institutions and athletic departments. I honestly could care less of which institution it is, they all screw kids.

sleeper;1400592 wrote:I am sorry Ohio State offers the complete educational package and that you are unable to recruit top candidates away from the prestige and glamour that is Ohio State. Once again, when giving criticism, at first look inward on yourself. Stop blaming Ohio State for your failures and misogyny.

OSH;1400593 wrote:This is the stuff that is ridiculous.

You make all kinds of incredulous claims, with absolutely no proof. And then start personal attacks.

Going back on ignore. Life was much better then.

sleeper;1400326 wrote:Then you would have no problem with taxing churches like the businesses that they are.

Sure, the universe suddenly seems to be showing its age, now calculated at 13.8 billion years — 80 million years older than scientists had thought.