If anyone is interested, there will be a couple of parents and families tailgating before the scrimmage tonight around 5:45 at the middle school south parking lot, stop by for a hotdog (old rider, brf, red rider1, sanitizer, 5 knots, flash rrfan that's you) and talk some football. Red rider nation you can come, but with your torn retina from my font I would be afraid you might hit yourself in the face with a wiener

RIDER DAD;1490490 wrote:If anyone is interested, there will be a couple of parents and families tailgating before the scrimmage tonight around 5:45 at the middle school south parking lot, stop by for a hotdog (old rider, brf, red rider1, sanitizer, 5 knots, flash rrfan that's you) and talk some football. Red rider nation you can come, but with your torn retina from my font I would be afraid you might hit yourself in the face with a wiener

I don't know that I want to come either....especially with all the talk about wieners hitting guys in the face.

jaco;1490373 wrote:Here's what dad said to me: "these dumb coaches had him out of position, he's going to get hurt out there...what kind of insurance does the school have if he does get hurt??.. Heck, I can't make him play..you can't make a kid play a sport if he doesn't want to.." I've had this exact discussions dozens of times. The same stuff over and over..

Coaches fault, huh? What a surprise. Seems to be the case in the overriding majority of kids quitting a sport.

Old Rider;1490495 wrote:I don't know that I want to come either....especially with all the talk about wieners hitting guys in the face.

Just taking a Jab at nation, did know font style was so important. only eckrich at this tailgate. lol

RIDER DAD;1490490 wrote:If anyone is interested, there will be a couple of parents and families tailgating before the scrimmage tonight around 5:45 at the middle school south parking lot, stop by for a hotdog (old rider, brf, red rider1, sanitizer, 5 knots, flash rrfan that's you) and talk some football. Red rider nation you can come, but with your torn retina from my font I would be afraid you might hit yourself in the face with a wiener

Hahahahahahahahahahaha good one! - I really laughed at that one nice job sir!! I will pass this time but sounds like a gay old time-maybe next time!!

Liked what I saw tonight from the Riders! Offense moved the ball well and defense was stable. Still need Zook on offense, but that will come. Domer looked good on both sides. Dusky very impressive kicking. Summers had a good scrimmage. O-line still has some work to do as does D-line. Luke looked good and made some nice reads. The int he threw was the only mis-read he had IMO. The one thing that stood out the most was the kids looked to be playing with high energy and emotion. Loved seeing the boys swarming a kid after a good play and congratulating each other. Coleman had a great hit on our sideline. Overall, I really liked what I saw. Way to go coaches and players. Keep working hard! I left that stadium with a good feeling about what this season may bring. RTR

I agree. Tonight looked pretty good and was a nice tune up for week one. Couple of things...1) lines need to keep working especially the offense. 2) find a way to get 5 the ball in space or at all! The kid placed in the state in the open qt and showed with a big hit on D he does not mind contact. I have to think he has to be a playmaker. 3) I love the attitude of this team. They are all in together. Take care of some business early in this season and let's see where it goes. I saw RTR tonight. Keep it going.

Coverage of Friday's Scrimmage between Louisville and Orrville:

Orrville Red Riders Vs. Louisville Leopards Football Scrimmage Video Highlights, Pictures, Recap

Watched leopard nations video. Who's 21? He has some ability. Couldn't make it to the scrimmage, but he has potential. Liked what I saw, but it was the high lights. No question we will be better with Zook.

Flash;1490655 wrote:Watched leopard nations video. Who's 21? He has some ability. Couldn't make it to the scrimmage, but he has potential. Liked what I saw, but it was the high lights. No question we will be better with Zook.

Here's who my Orrville Roster says:

21 Austin Domer RB/SS 9 5‐8 150

Thanks for the link Leopard

Not under pressure so we will have to see, but how about the Kicking game! It was nice to see the kids get Cole pumped up after some of the long ones, someone correct me if I am wrong, I think he hit a 42 yard on that last one. Pretty much agree with all the other comments, but I would add the offense has been pretty vanilla, I think two things will happen, you will see more when the games countand also Zook should be playing some more offense next game, I like the combo of Domer, Keontae, Zook, and Summers running the ball that's a lot of different styles for the coaches to pull out of the bag. Sure like the little passes down field, as long as the chains keep moving that will win games.

jaco;1490226 wrote:I've talked to alot of kids, and their parents, who have elected not to play football. And these kids probably should be playing football. Twenty years ago they would've. What's the difference between now and then? First, the kids are soft as charmin. They are genuinely afraid of contact sports. They worry about injury, limp around at the slightest discomfort. Sure, they might go out in junior high because it's a social thing, but when the conditioning gets more difficult and the contact harder - they quit. Second, it's not just the contact, but because it's hard. A football player's life isn't easy. Kids like easy. Third. I blame the parents. They're raising wimps who prefer the easier course. Mom and dad don't like to push their kids to the more difficult path.

The reason for football's decline in numbers is really similar to why wrestling's numbers are down. Kids don't like hard things, and parents don't put pressure on them to suck it up. It's really that simple. It's not soccer, etc. It's the fact the kids are mentally weak and their parents permit it. This is what makes me respect the kids who do play all the more.

I have to respectfully disagee. Jacos post was short sighted and innacurate. The usage of broad generalizations to pigeon hole everyone who doesn't play football into a group that is weak and lazy is just plain ignorant. I believe that it's not that simple, not even close.


Kids have always liked easy and there have always been coddling parents. This was true in 1970 and it's true today. Another universal truth is that every generation feels that the one that follows them is lazy. My dad heard it from my Grandfather, I hear it from my father, my kids hear it from me.


Anybody who puts even the smallest amount of brain power into contemplating the reasons for the decline in football participation can see that it's more complicated than some blanket statement calling kids lazy and parents weak. The factors are numerous and constantly changing, I'll touch on ones I feel are the most prevalent.

1. Generational factors. Believe it or not, Baseball was once upon a time more popular than Football. Ask the 70+ crowd out there. Enthusiasm for sports changes with time. It's no surprise even a great sport like football is feeling the pressure of other sports gaining popularity. It's a natural occurence.


2. Population factors. Orrville has changed. Some families that lived and breathed football no longer live here. Their kids and grandkids now play elsewhere. This is nododys fault, we've lost the industries that supported some of these families. Some families that have moved in don't feel the same way about football. The population dynamic is a big factor in my opinion.


3. The specializing factor. It appears that more and more kids (and parents) opt to spend all his/her time practicing to excel at one sport. They probably see this as giving themselves the best possible odds of landing a scholarship and getting that college education without being horrifically in debt for 10 or 15 years. More power to them.


4. The Kids. Some kids aspire to be the next Tony Hawk or David Beckham, not the next Emmitt Smith. Some choose to work to pay their monthly cell phone bills, car insurance and all the other things you need to be cool these days. It doesn't make them lazy, they just have different goals.
Some are lazy slackers, I do agree with that.


5. Other sports in the same season. How could this not effect team size? Any time you start adding additional options for athletics in a particular sports season. Some athletes are going to choose an option other than football. Unless the pool of athletes grows, some team is going to experience a decline in numbers, usually the biggest team and that is football.


There are many more. I think those are most of the larger causes.
I would also like to point out that I called Jaco's post ignorant. Not the poster.
If you just plan to personally attack me, I can't stop you. I can challenge you to attack my thoughts instead.
I'm told that is the purpose of this forum, more people would participate if everyone left the personal stuff behind.

The Wizard of Crown Hill;1490751 wrote:I have to respectfully disagee. Jacos post was short sighted and innacurate. The usage of broad generalizations to pigeon hole everyone who doesn't play football into a group that is weak and lazy is just plain ignorant. I believe that it's not that simple, not even close.


Kids have always liked easy and there have always been coddling parents. This was true in 1970 and it's true today. Another universal truth is that every generation feels that the one that follows them is lazy. My dad heard it from my Grandfather, I hear it from my father, my kids hear it from me.


Anybody who puts even the smallest amount of brain power into contemplating the reasons for the decline in football participation can see that it's more complicated than some blanket statement calling kids lazy and parents weak. The factors are numerous and constantly changing, I'll touch on ones I feel are the most prevalent.

1. Generational factors. Believe it or not, Baseball was once upon a time more popular than Football. Ask the 70+ crowd out there. Enthusiasm for sports changes with time. It's no surprise even a great sport like football is feeling the pressure of other sports gaining popularity. It's a natural occurence.


2. Population factors. Orrville has changed. Some families that lived and breathed football no longer live here. Their kids and grandkids now play elsewhere. This is nododys fault, we've lost the industries that supported some of these families. Some families that have moved in don't feel the same way about football. The population dynamic is a big factor in my opinion.


3. The specializing factor. It appears that more and more kids (and parents) opt to spend all his/her time practicing to excel at one sport. They probably see this as giving themselves the best possible odds of landing a scholarship and getting that college education without being horrifically in debt for 10 or 15 years. More power to them.


4. The Kids. Some kids aspire to be the next Tony Hawk or David Beckham, not the next Emmitt Smith. Some choose to work to pay their monthly cell phone bills, car insurance and all the other things you need to be cool these days. It doesn't make them lazy, they just have different goals.
Some are lazy slackers, I do agree with that.


5. Other sports in the same season. How could this not effect team size? Any time you start adding additional options for athletics in a particular sports season. Some athletes are going to choose an option other than football. Unless the pool of athletes grows, some team is going to experience a decline in numbers, usually the biggest team and that is football.


There are many more. I think those are most of the larger causes.
I would also like to point out that I called Jaco's post ignorant. Not the poster.
If you just plan to personally attack me, I can't stop you. I can challenge you to attack my thoughts instead.
I'm told that is the purpose of this forum, more people would participate if everyone left the personal stuff behind.

Correct! Grouping all non football players into a class of lazy is just plain ignorant!!

The Wizard of Crown Hill;1490751 wrote:I have to respectfully disagee. Jacos post was short sighted and innacurate. The usage of broad generalizations to pigeon hole everyone who doesn't play football into a group that is weak and lazy is just plain ignorant. I believe that it's not that simple, not even close.


Kids have always liked easy and there have always been coddling parents. This was true in 1970 and it's true today. Another universal truth is that every generation feels that the one that follows them is lazy. My dad heard it from my Grandfather, I hear it from my father, my kids hear it from me.


Anybody who puts even the smallest amount of brain power into contemplating the reasons for the decline in football participation can see that it's more complicated than some blanket statement calling kids lazy and parents weak. The factors are numerous and constantly changing, I'll touch on ones I feel are the most prevalent.

1. Generational factors. Believe it or not, Baseball was once upon a time more popular than Football. Ask the 70+ crowd out there. Enthusiasm for sports changes with time. It's no surprise even a great sport like football is feeling the pressure of other sports gaining popularity. It's a natural occurence.


2. Population factors. Orrville has changed. Some families that lived and breathed football no longer live here. Their kids and grandkids now play elsewhere. This is nododys fault, we've lost the industries that supported some of these families. Some families that have moved in don't feel the same way about football. The population dynamic is a big factor in my opinion.


3. The specializing factor. It appears that more and more kids (and parents) opt to spend all his/her time practicing to excel at one sport. They probably see this as giving themselves the best possible odds of landing a scholarship and getting that college education without being horrifically in debt for 10 or 15 years. More power to them.


4. The Kids. Some kids aspire to be the next Tony Hawk or David Beckham, not the next Emmitt Smith. Some choose to work to pay their monthly cell phone bills, car insurance and all the other things you need to be cool these days. It doesn't make them lazy, they just have different goals.
Some are lazy slackers, I do agree with that.


5. Other sports in the same season. How could this not effect team size? Any time you start adding additional options for athletics in a particular sports season. Some athletes are going to choose an option other than football. Unless the pool of athletes grows, some team is going to experience a decline in numbers, usually the biggest team and that is football.


There are many more. I think those are most of the larger causes.
I would also like to point out that I called Jaco's post ignorant. Not the poster.
If you just plan to personally attack me, I can't stop you. I can challenge you to attack my thoughts instead.
I'm told that is the purpose of this forum, more people would participate if everyone left the personal stuff behind.

Better be careful Wiz...you're going to get drawn in to a "rivalry" on this site that you swore you'd never become a part of. Keep disagreeing with everyone and it will happen.

To the content of your post....

So the town HAS changed?? Industry HAS left?? Amazing. Why I've said the same things and been called crazy.

You make good points, but parents are a big part of this too. Can't deny that.

To add to your point about the changing towns, with college being an option for most kids these days, there are simply opportunities (school & career) that will take kids away from Orrville and never bring them back.

Used to be you finish high school & find a job in a factory or enter the military, then come home & find a job in a factory. Easier to set down roots in the town you grew up in. We don't have that like we used to.

To the Wizard: tl;dr

Ha ha! JK!

I read it all and found your points interesting and thought provoking. I would also say the same for jaco's.

I heard that Louisville's starting QB tore up his knee and the kid that would have been the #2 transferred to Manchester. So the kid under center was essentially their #3. I also noted that they cut through our defense like a hot knife through butter the first possession. I think it took them less than 10 plays and they only had 1-2 plays that went for no gain.

Their QB threw a terrible interception at about the 25 that was taken down to the 3 and we punched it in.

Our 1st team fumbled 2-3 times that we recovered and threw an interception in 2 quarters.

Also, recalling last year, we just ran out of gas by the end of the 3rd quarter several times, what would have happened had this been a 4 quarter game? I dunno. We will need to put up a lot more than 10 points in a half with key kids playing 2 ways all night long against teams that have 20-22 kids starting.

We should win next week....after that I hope no one gets a concussion for the next 9 weeks. I'll put us at 2-8 this year. We might beat Triway too.

jaco;1490226 wrote:I've talked to alot of kids, and their parents, who have elected not to play football. And these kids probably should be playing football. Twenty years ago they would've. What's the difference between now and then? First, the kids are soft as charmin. They are genuinely afraid of contact sports. They worry about injury, limp around at the slightest discomfort. Sure, they might go out in junior high because it's a social thing, but when the conditioning gets more difficult and the contact harder - they quit. Second, it's not just the contact, but because it's hard. A football player's life isn't easy. Kids like easy. Third. I blame the parents. They're raising wimps who prefer the easier course. Mom and dad don't like to push their kids to the more difficult path.

The reason for football's decline in numbers is really similar to why wrestling's numbers are down. Kids don't like hard things, and parents don't put pressure on them to suck it up. It's really that simple. It's not soccer, etc. It's the fact the kids are mentally weak and their parents permit it. This is what makes me respect the kids who do play all the more.

AMEN!!!

The Wizard of Crown Hill;1490751 wrote:I have to respectfully disagee. Jacos post was short sighted and innacurate. The usage of broad generalizations to pigeon hole everyone who doesn't play football into a group that is weak and lazy is just plain ignorant. I believe that it's not that simple, not even close.


Kids have always liked easy and there have always been coddling parents. This was true in 1970 and it's true today. Another universal truth is that every generation feels that the one that follows them is lazy. My dad heard it from my Grandfather, I hear it from my father, my kids hear it from me.


Anybody who puts even the smallest amount of brain power into contemplating the reasons for the decline in football participation can see that it's more complicated than some blanket statement calling kids lazy and parents weak. The factors are numerous and constantly changing, I'll touch on ones I feel are the most prevalent.

1. Generational factors. Believe it or not, Baseball was once upon a time more popular than Football. Ask the 70+ crowd out there. Enthusiasm for sports changes with time. It's no surprise even a great sport like football is feeling the pressure of other sports gaining popularity. It's a natural occurence.


2. Population factors. Orrville has changed. Some families that lived and breathed football no longer live here. Their kids and grandkids now play elsewhere. This is nododys fault, we've lost the industries that supported some of these families. Some families that have moved in don't feel the same way about football. The population dynamic is a big factor in my opinion.


3. The specializing factor. It appears that more and more kids (and parents) opt to spend all his/her time practicing to excel at one sport. They probably see this as giving themselves the best possible odds of landing a scholarship and getting that college education without being horrifically in debt for 10 or 15 years. More power to them.


4. The Kids. Some kids aspire to be the next Tony Hawk or David Beckham, not the next Emmitt Smith. Some choose to work to pay their monthly cell phone bills, car insurance and all the other things you need to be cool these days. It doesn't make them lazy, they just have different goals.
Some are lazy slackers, I do agree with that.


5. Other sports in the same season. How could this not effect team size? Any time you start adding additional options for athletics in a particular sports season. Some athletes are going to choose an option other than football. Unless the pool of athletes grows, some team is going to experience a decline in numbers, usually the biggest team and that is football.


There are many more. I think those are most of the larger causes.
I would also like to point out that I called Jaco's post ignorant. Not the poster.
If you just plan to personally attack me, I can't stop you. I can challenge you to attack my thoughts instead.
I'm told that is the purpose of this forum, more people would participate if everyone left the personal stuff behind.

wizard, most of what you say is correct. However, that does not make Jaco's post incorrect. I think Jacob is right that many kids today would rather play maden on Xbox than play backyard football with the neighborhood boys. That is lazy and parents are a huge part of that. It is easier for a parent to let a kid play games than actually going out and playing outside with them. When was the last time you saw a group of kids outside playing football?

Also, much of what you said wizard in you post was discussed and agreed on earlier this summer by many on here. Except one...series. So I am not even sure who you are fighting with.

Red Rider;1490770 wrote:I heard that Louisville's starting QB tore up his knee and the kid that would have been the #2 transferred to Manchester. So the kid under center was essentially their #3. I also noted that they cut through our defense like a hot knife through butter the first possession. I think it took them less than 10 plays and they only had 1-2 plays that went for no gain.

Their QB threw a terrible interception at about the 25 that was taken down to the 3 and we punched it in.

Our 1st team fumbled 2-3 times that we recovered and threw an interception in 2 quarters.

Also, recalling last year, we just ran out of gas by the end of the 3rd quarter several times, what would have happened had this been a 4 quarter game? I dunno. We will need to put up a lot more than 10 points in a half with key kids playing 2 ways all night long against teams that have 20-22 kids starting.

We should win next week....after that I hope no one gets a concussion for the next 9 weeks. I'll put us at 2-8 this year. We might beat Triway too.

red rider, were you at the scrimmage?

Red Rider;1490770 wrote:I heard that Louisville's starting QB tore up his knee and the kid that would have been the #2 transferred to Manchester. So the kid under center was essentially their #3. I also noted that they cut through our defense like a hot knife through butter the first possession. I think it took them less than 10 plays and they only had 1-2 plays that went for no gain.

Their QB threw a terrible interception at about the 25 that was taken down to the 3 and we punched it in.

Our 1st team fumbled 2-3 times that we recovered and threw an interception in 2 quarters.

Also, recalling last year, we just ran out of gas by the end of the 3rd quarter several times, what would have happened had this been a 4 quarter game? I dunno. We will need to put up a lot more than 10 points in a half with key kids playing 2 ways all night long against teams that have 20-22 kids starting.

We should win next week....after that I hope no one gets a concussion for the next 9 weeks. I'll put us at 2-8 this year. We might beat Triway too.

12 plays, 80 yards on that first possession. We had a 15 yd pass interference on 3rd down that helped them out too. They ran lots of read option that our kids over pursued at times.

Why does it seem you're giving Louisville all the blame for their bad play, but our kids none of the credit?

Summers made a nice jump on that INT & nearly outran their QB to the end zone. Also made a nice grab over the middle for a long completion.

Our defense got better after that 1st possession. Classic Haley coached defense. Made the needed adjustments.

So about the run game. You realize that Owens & Domer, right now your 1st & 2nd string backs, are seeing their first varsity action right? You don't think they're going to have the occasional fumble? I think for as "green" as both are to varsity level competition, both played very well and will only get better.

Luke Smith delivered the football where our receivers can catch it & wasn't afraid to tuck the ball & run.

If your expectation is perfection in the 2nd scrimmage then I guess you did walk away disappointed.

I think last years 2nd half struggles had a lot to do with the fact that we weren't moving the ball on offense & our D just got worn down.

What would have happened had Louisville left their starters in more than a few series? It may have been 14-10 or 14-7 them. Who knows. I could care less that we "won" a meaningless game...that doesn't shape my view of how it went. We held our own against whoever they threw out there.

Yes I do realize Domer and Owens are the second and third string and they are playing as a result of an injury...an injury to a player who is injured A LOT over his career. Which is my main point...we lack depth. We have some talent, we have some young players who will be very good in a couple years, but would not have been playing varsity most years. Let me be clear, that is not meant to say that they aren't deserving or won't be great players if they keep playing.

I am not necessarily saying that Louisville played bad, maybe they played as well as they can play. But did they play as well as our competition on our schedule? Probably not. I didn't feel Luke had a lot of time to throw on the passing plays. We had a couple short receptions that went for 5 yards or less with virtually no yards after catch, the big gainer from Trevor, and the interception in which he rolled to the left and tried to throw across his body. Not sure that was totally his fault because I couldn't tell if the WR slipped.

What I saw and am basing my prediction on is this: we did not have a Mason Monheim, Max Pirman, Stu Turner, Sam Miller or Drew Brenner to last season and we went 1-9. Just three seasons ago we had ALL of those guys and we did not win the OCC. We lost some talent last year through graduation, transfers and not coming out this year which has been replaced by kids who have never set foot on a varsity field and are at least 1-2 years away from having experience and size to compete with the big boys. We probably are not even as talented, and definitely not as experienced, as last year.

2-8. We win the first 2 games. That was my takeaway. However, my original prediction was 1-9 so I am seeing improvement. Do YOU see more wins than that?

As a hated former Browns coach once said "I can only go by what I see on the field."

Great article about Mason. They even bothered to do their homework on Orrville & Orrville football too. Spelled our name right even.

http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/illini-sports/football/2013-08-24/mason-monheim-future-face-illini.html

I walked into Buehlers in Jackson today and they were selling mums-that means one thing to me: It's football season people! This is it-predictions are predictions but there are 40 some kids on this team and coaches that can make a difference! 5 more days until I sit at Jerry's for a little pregame and catch up with some old friends. The smell is in the air and I am ready!! Go Red Riders! Just remember no matter what when you put that Jersey on it should mean a little more. For the seniors you are embarking on the greatest year of your life and for the underclass men cherish these moments and strive to get better. No matter if all of us agree on here or not we ALL support this team in our own way! If Orrville goes out and gives us all they have then no matter what that scoreboard says at the end
of the game these boys are winners!! RTR!!!!!

Very well said!

Red Rider Nation;1491004 wrote:I walked into Buehlers in Jackson today and they were selling mums-that means one thing to me: It's football season people! This is it-predictions are predictions but there are 40 some kids on this team and coaches that can make a difference! 5 more days until I sit at Jerry's for a little pregame and catch up with some old friends. The smell is in the air and I am ready!! Go Red Riders! Just remember no matter what when you put that Jersey on it should mean a little more. For the seniors you are embarking on the greatest year of your life and for the underclass men cherish these moments and strive to get better. No matter if all of us agree on here or not we ALL support this team in our own way! If Orrville goes out and gives us all they have then no matter what that scoreboard says at the end
of the game these boys are winners!! RTR!!!!!