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Jan 12, 2013 6:02 PM
ccrunner609;1364445 wrote:quit spewing talking points of the anti-union people. The standards that teachers are held to in the first 3 years of teachers almost guarantee that bad teachers are weeded out early.

I sat in meeting all day yesterday about the new state standards for teachers, schools and school report cards. It is very rigorous. There is no way a bad teacher will ever make it through.
Ever is a pretty strong word.
Jan 12, 2013 6:02pm
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gut

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Jan 12, 2013 6:56 PM
ccrunner609;1364445 wrote: There is no way a bad teacher will ever make it through.
Happens all the time - that's what unions do. Did you not understand the point being made?

And I don't spew talking point of "anti-union" people. My opinions are based on years of direct experience at companies with unions. Their #1 priority is first and foremost jobs. Don't fool yourself otherwise.
Jan 12, 2013 6:56pm
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Jan 12, 2013 9:40 PM
ccrunner609;1364683 wrote:thanks for making my point. You dont know the innerworkings of a teacher union just because you know "business" unions. Teachers all have individual contracts and requirements that are outside of the union negotiated contract. So no you dont know. And the happens all the time, I referred to the new state assesments where it will be very hard for a crappy teacher to ever make it out of the non-tenured years.

The new resident educator is a bunch of bullshit. A crappy teacher can get passed it.
Jan 12, 2013 9:40pm
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WebFire

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Jan 12, 2013 9:41 PM
hasbeen;1364726 wrote:The new resident educator is a bunch of bullshit. A crappy teacher can get passed it.
You don't know. Only ccrunner can know. And he says one can't.
Jan 12, 2013 9:41pm
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Excuse me, Flo?

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Jan 12, 2013 9:50 PM
WebFire;1364729 wrote:You don't know. Only ccrunner can know. And he says one can't.

Lol I know you're making fun of him, but cc didn't have to do this. His whole understanding of the process is what the talking heads are saying(they are obviously going to pretend it's so hard only good teachers can pass).

I'm in the middle of the process while he's an outsider. It's funny.
Jan 12, 2013 9:50pm
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ernest_t_bass

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Jan 12, 2013 9:56 PM
ccrunner609;1364445 wrote:quit spewing talking points of the anti-union people. The standards that teachers are held to in the first 3 years of teachers almost guarantee that bad teachers are weeded out early.

Stop
Jan 12, 2013 9:56pm
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gut

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Jan 12, 2013 10:28 PM
ccrunner609;1364683 wrote:thanks for making my point. You dont know the innerworkings of a teacher union just because you know "business" unions.
LMAO. My point remains the same. Unions are unions, and with few exceptions (i.e. NFLPA) the vast majority place a much higher priority on jobs over everything else. You seem to be in very real denial of this basic truth, why I don't know.
Jan 12, 2013 10:28pm
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Jan 12, 2013 11:28 PM
ccrunner609;1364683 wrote:thanks for making my point. You dont know the innerworkings of a teacher union just because you know "business" unions.
Public employee unions rank among the worst if not THE worst of the bunch...and the NEA is right at the top.

Get a grip on reality.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577645550224040874.html
Jan 12, 2013 11:28pm
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Jan 13, 2013 12:17 AM
I'm losing $44 a week
Jan 13, 2013 12:17am
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gut

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Jan 13, 2013 2:36 AM
believer;1364821 wrote:Public employee unions rank among the worst if not THE worst of the bunch...and the NEA is right at the top.

Get a grip on reality.
He's not the only hypocrite on here (not directed at you, I'm sure you can guess). But it's still funny to watch him check and 180 his beliefs as if everything he says and believes about unions doesn't apply to HIS union.
Jan 13, 2013 2:36am
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Jan 13, 2013 9:14 AM
ccrunner609;1364949 wrote:Oh no I hate my union......my posts are referring to the idea and BS that everyone is told about how public education is a failure.
Public education has two strikes against it that almost guarantee failure: (1) The government controls administration and (2) the NEA controls the teachers.
Jan 13, 2013 9:14am
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Jan 13, 2013 9:19 AM
ccrunner609;1364949 wrote:Oh no I hate my union......my posts are referring to the idea and BS that everyone is told about how public education is a failure.
believer;1364964 wrote:Public education has two strikes against it that almost guarantee failure: (1) The government controls administration and (2) the NEA controls the teachers.

Strike (3) is the belief by (most) parents that the teacher is responsible and to blame when their child gets in a trouble and doesn't do their work.
Jan 13, 2013 9:19am
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Jan 13, 2013 9:27 AM
hasbeen;1364966 wrote:Strike (3) is the belief by (some) parents that the teacher is responsible and to blame when their child gets in a trouble and doesn't do their work.
I would agree with you if you changed the (some) to (most).
Jan 13, 2013 9:27am
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Excuse me, Flo?

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Jan 13, 2013 10:31 AM
Sonofanump;1364971 wrote:I would agree with you if you changed the (some) to (most).

Done.
Jan 13, 2013 10:31am
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Jan 13, 2013 11:20 AM
hasbeen;1364966 wrote:Strike (3) is the belief by (most) parents that the teacher is responsible and to blame when their child gets in a trouble and doesn't do their work.
Perhaps but most parents I know don't believe that. But - you know - "it takes a village." :rolleyes:
Jan 13, 2013 11:20am
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gut

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Jan 14, 2013 1:36 PM
ccrunner609;1365139 wrote:agreed. The usual BS is that teachers are bad and dont do their jobs when the real problem is this.
I agree with this. Parental factors and the home environment are much more determinant in success than teachers.
Jan 14, 2013 1:36pm
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Jan 15, 2013 12:45 AM
Getting away from the education discussion, how ridiculous is it that our official executive office is claiming that we need to pay our bills by taking on more debt?

How is this acceptable? If a Republican POTUS said half of the things Obama did today it would be on the front page of every major newspaper.
Jan 15, 2013 12:45am
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Jan 15, 2013 1:34 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1366321 wrote:Getting away from the education discussion, how ridiculous is it that our official executive office is claiming that we need to pay our bills by taking on more debt?

How is this acceptable? If a Republican POTUS said half of the things Obama did today it would be on the front page of every major newspaper.
No it wouldn't.

If a bill comes due you have to pay for it period. When the monthly Gym bill comes in and you have a year contract you don't have the option just not to pay the bill even if you think it was a mistake to make that contract at the outset and you may have to pay for it with a credit card. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
Jan 15, 2013 1:34am
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gut

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Jan 15, 2013 2:18 AM
There are a lot of people in Congress that didn't "agree" to this spending and are in no way obligated to pay bills (for money not yet spent) that we don't have money for.

The idea there are all these "contracts" entered into that have to be paid is BS. SS & Medicare need to be dealt with. Obamacare and other govt programs we don't have the funding for. We don't need to commit hundred in billions to new military contracts. We don't need automatic spending increases - start by freezing growth in said programs.

They are obligated to get this deficit under control. That's something Obama has campaigned on and he needs to stop playing politics and start leading.
Jan 15, 2013 2:18am
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Jan 15, 2013 2:41 AM
BoatShoes;1366325 wrote:No it wouldn't.

If a bill comes due you have to pay for it period. When the monthly Gym bill comes in and you have a year contract you don't have the option just not to pay the bill even if you think it was a mistake to make that contract at the outset and you may have to pay for it with a credit card. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
Then I stop going to the gym, and tell them I can no longer pay them. That isn't a hard concept either.
Jan 15, 2013 2:41am
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Jan 15, 2013 6:02 AM
BoatShoes;1366325 wrote:No it wouldn't.

If a bill comes due you have to pay for it period. When the monthly Gym bill comes in and you have a year contract you don't have the option just not to pay the bill even if you think it was a mistake to make that contract at the outset and you may have to pay for it with a credit card. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
When a bill comes due and I don't have enough money to cover my expenses I stop spending money on other things until I have enough income to cover my expenses.

I am not paying that gym bill until I actually have income to pay for it. IN addition, I am reducing my expenses in other areas immediately.
Jan 15, 2013 6:02am
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Gblock

Jan 15, 2013 8:14 AM
as teachers do we even pay this tax? since we pay into STRS and not the SS system?

also as far as union protecting bad teachers... in our district after your first year which is probationary, it is the administration not the union who decides if you get to come back the next year to even become part of the union.
Jan 15, 2013 8:14am
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WebFire

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Jan 15, 2013 8:18 AM
Con_Alma;1366340 wrote:When a bill comes due and I don't have enough money to cover my expenses I stop spending money on other things until I have enough income to cover my expenses.

I am not paying that gym bill until I actually have income to pay for it. IN addition, I am reducing my expenses in other areas immediately.
Bingo.
Jan 15, 2013 8:18am
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Jan 15, 2013 8:19 AM
Gblock;1366369 wrote:as teachers do we even pay this tax? since we pay into STRS and not the SS system?
I didn't think teachers paid SS.
Jan 15, 2013 8:19am
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Gblock

Jan 15, 2013 8:20 AM
WebFire;1366372 wrote:I didn't think teachers paid SS.
that is what im saying if it wasnt clear
Jan 15, 2013 8:20am