O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jan 8, 2013 11:01pm
Raw Dawgin' it;1361112 wrote:It's because people like animals more than they like human beings.
With a few exceptions, can you blame them? My own personal experience has been that people are assholes at a higher rate than dogs.
If I had the money, I would do it. Hell, if people wanted to help me, that'd be okay, too.
Now, what I REALLY think someone should raise money for is a reward for information leading to the apprehension of the walking abortion that did that to the dog in the first place.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 8, 2013 11:01pm
In that case, I guess we better not subject the 2 year old child with Leukemia to chemotherapy, because they are sure as hell scared shitless and don't know what's going on either. That's a pretty dumb reason to not try to save something. Oh hell, we can't give her chemo anyways, because we can't afford it.gut;1361385 wrote:Which is fine if you can afford it. But I'd have to be making like half a mill to piss away $5k on a doggy doctor.
Maybe I'd feel differently if they lived for 30 or 40 years, or if I felt literally being scared shitless and not knowing what's going on was a remotely humane thing to subject them to.
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Jan 8, 2013 11:55pm
This completely glosses over the fact that many of the human beings in need are children. And I don't just mean the African children that you can adopt for $1/day, I mean kids in our own country who are treated just as badly as dogs, or are starving and in need. Where's the Facebook pages to help them?GoChiefs;1361336 wrote:Humans can try to get themselves out of the shitholes they've put themselves into, animals don't really have that option. A dog can't find a job to put a roof over his head or feed himself like the homeless guy under the bridge can.
And yes, I'm aware not all people can do something about the problems they are having, but a lot can. I do agree those commercials and organizations suck though.
It's not that I'm gonna sit here and say someone is a terrible person because they care about abused animals, but to justify not caring for human beings because "most human beings are terrible" or "they just need to bootstrap themselves out of their problem" is terrible reasoning. Like me saying all dogs are vicious beasts that are supposed to live in the wild so why can't they fend for themselves and find their own food.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 8, 2013 11:59pm
My post doesn't gloss over that fact because I had already addressed that earlier....Mooney44Cards;1361418 wrote:This completely glosses over the fact that many of the human beings in need are children. And I don't just mean the African children that you can adopt for $1/day, I mean kids in our own country who are treated just as badly as dogs, or are starving and in need. Where's the Facebook pages to help them?
It's not that I'm gonna sit here and say someone is a terrible person because they care about abused animals, but to justify not caring for human beings because "most human beings are terrible" or "they just need to bootstrap themselves out of their problem" is terrible reasoning. Like me saying all dogs are vicious beasts that are supposed to live in the wild so why can't they fend for themselves and find their own food.
That would include children in need. And go look on Facebook, I'd bet you there are a bunch of pages like that geared towards helping children in need as well.GoChiefs;1361336 wrote:And yes, I'm aware not all people can do something about the problems they are having
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jan 9, 2013 8:12am
I don't have a problem w the FB page but stop with the horrible comparisons. Not even remotely in the same ballpark.GoChiefs;1361395 wrote:In that case, I guess we better not subject the 2 year old child with Leukemia to chemotherapy, because they are sure as hell scared shitless and don't know what's going on either. That's a pretty dumb reason to not try to save something. Oh hell, we can't give her chemo anyways, because we can't afford it.
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MontyBrunswick
Jan 9, 2013 8:20am
Rotinaj;1361506 wrote:I don't have a problem w the FB page but stop with the horrible comparisons. Not even remotely in the same ballpark.
I like dogs more than 2 year olds.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 9, 2013 8:22am
Rotinaj;1361506 wrote:I don't have a problem w the FB page but stop with the horrible comparisons. Not even remotely in the same ballpark.
It's not a horrible comparison at all if you value a dogs life as you would a humans, which with my dogs, I do.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 9, 2013 9:15am
Do you feel this way about all animals? I honestly believe if someone witnessed a person and a dog getting shot in front of them they'd help the dog over the person.O-Trap;1361393 wrote:With a few exceptions, can you blame them? My own personal experience has been that people are assholes at a higher rate than dogs.
If I had the money, I would do it. Hell, if people wanted to help me, that'd be okay, too.
Now, what I REALLY think someone should raise money for is a reward for information leading to the apprehension of the walking abortion that did that to the dog in the first place.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jan 9, 2013 9:17am
I'm fine with that if your talking about some shithead lowlife but its ridiculous you value a dogs life as much as a child. It's actually more sad than ridiculous.GoChiefs;1361520 wrote:It's not a horrible comparison at all if you value a dogs life as you would a humans, which with my dogs, I do.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 9, 2013 9:19am
Dogs are much cheaper, more interactive, and more obedient than children. Not to mention they die sooner so there's less responsibility there too.Rotinaj;1361572 wrote:I'm fine with that if your talking about some shithead lowlife but its ridiculous you value a dogs life as much as a child. It's actually more sad than ridiculous.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 9, 2013 9:22am
Not every dog. Just my dogs. As I stated above, which is just like another member of my family.Rotinaj;1361572 wrote:I'm fine with that if your talking about some shithead lowlife but its ridiculous you value a dogs life as much as a child. It's actually more sad than ridiculous.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Jan 9, 2013 9:32am
I would have an easier time killing an asshole human than a dog. People are rotten. Dogs are born innocent and good until asshole humans ruin them.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 9, 2013 9:38am
What about a cow?TBone14;1361590 wrote:I would have an easier time killing an asshole human than a dog. People are rotten. Dogs are born innocent and good until asshole humans ruin them.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 9, 2013 9:53am
My people mean more to me than my animals. My animals mean more to me than your people. I don't find that odd or sad.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 9, 2013 10:18am
Does Waterbuffalo count ? If so I’ve done both same sameRaw Dawgin' it;1361597 wrote:What about a cow?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 9, 2013 11:13am
So if you had to choose between the life of your dog or the life of your child, would there be a real decision there?GoChiefs;1361520 wrote:It's not a horrible comparison at all if you value a dogs life as you would a humans, which with my dogs, I do.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 9, 2013 11:13am
Is this a serious question?se-alum;1361676 wrote:So if you had to choose between the life of your dog or the life of your child, would there be a real decision there?
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jan 9, 2013 11:20am
Is this a serious question?se-alum;1361676 wrote:So if you had to choose between the life of your dog or the life of your child, would there be a real decision there?
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 9, 2013 11:24am
Need more details?se-alum;1361676 wrote:So if you had to choose between the life of your dog or the life of your child, would there be a real decision there?
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Jan 9, 2013 11:30am
I don't give two hoots about a cow. They are born and bred to be killed for either food or goods. Dogs are not.Raw Dawgin' it;1361597 wrote:What about a cow?
This exactly.queencitybuckeye;1361607 wrote:My people mean more to me than my animals. My animals mean more to me than your people. I don't find that odd or sad.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 9, 2013 11:35am
Depends who you talk to - my parents house and exchange student who eats dog. My former boss worked on a dairy farm and had a pet cow. I like dogs, but i don't care for animals over people. There are exceptions of course.TBone14;1361700 wrote:I don't give two hoots about a cow. They are born and bred to be killed for either food or goods. Dogs are not.
This exactly.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 9, 2013 11:49am
Smarter people don't make that same equivalence in the law. I shoot your dog for crapping in my yard I might pay a fine, even go to jail for a few days. Now if I shoot your kid.GoChiefs;1361520 wrote:It's not a horrible comparison at all if you value a dogs life as you would a humans, which with my dogs, I do.
It's an animal. Not a person.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 9, 2013 11:51am
For many people, dogs ARE their only children. That's how you get people spending thousands of dollars in medical bills on dogs when most of the planet know that's a stupid and irrational decision.se-alum;1361676 wrote:So if you had to choose between the life of your dog or the life of your child, would there be a real decision there?
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jan 9, 2013 11:51am
Raw Dawgin' it;1361571 wrote:Do you feel this way about all animals? I honestly believe if someone witnessed a person and a dog getting shot in front of them they'd help the dog over the person.
Eh, probably not all animals. A snake getting run over in the road, for example, wouldn't be the same.
And if I saw a random dog and random person get shot, I'd probable help the person first, but I would try to flag someone down to help the dog, or they could help the person while I go try to help the dog.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jan 9, 2013 11:52am
For what it's worth, this is my wife and I. We've been trying to have a child for a few years now, but we've been unable so far. We have three dogs, and my wife REALLY treats them like they're little people.gut;1361738 wrote:For many people, dogs ARE their only children. That's how you get people spending thousands of dollars in medical bills on dogs when most of the planet know that's a stupid and irrational decision.