believer;1370388 wrote:As a Bible-thumping evangelical Christian, I had to laugh at this statement.

It is true that conservative Christians recognize the Biblical significance of Israel and throw political support to the Israelis. We also believe that we are in the midst of the end times as prophesied in both the Old and New Testaments.

But I personally don't know of a single pastor, church leader, or layperson who actively supports military spending as a means to spurring Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ.

No amount of support for increased military spending will hasten the return of Christ. Any knowledgeable evangelical Christian knows this to be true. Jesus Christ will come when he comes. (Matthew 24:36).

Try googling the wretched John Hagee for starters.

majorspark;1369672 wrote:Let me get this straight. A guy with that holds the office of POTUS who is going to take on the military industrial complex, the multitude of lobbyists that surround them, all the while fighting the all powerful Jewish lobby, cowers in fear of the warmongers, and has no effin balls, just nominated an underling that is going to carry the dirty water. Yeah change is a commin. LOL.

As Abbott responded to Costello after saying "so you have a couple of Days on the team".........."now you've got it".

Why the LOL? You know damn well that that is exactly why Obama hired Hagel. Obama is a gutless swine in not standing up to the mic and the warmongering, chickenhawks that have destroyed our country politically and economically. The AIPAC Lobby isn't the only pony on stage here....as I have clearly stated.

jhay78;1369832 wrote:I don't think anyone can grasp that. So much contradiction in so little space.



You people ignore quite a bit yourselves:

1. The only Department in the federal bureaucracy where Obama has appointed a real cost-cutter, concerned about a bloated budget, is the Defense Department. That is quite telling. Now I might applaud him if Defense took up 60% of the budget, as it did in JFK's day. But it doesn't. Obama is a complete fraud when it comes to trimming budgets, and this pseudo display of frugality doesn't change my opinion.

Yaeh well no shit Sherlock. Are you paying attention? What is the theme of my OP? Obama hiring Hagel because he is in fact a fraud...and needs a scapegoat to get these things done. You people are slow at comprehending things.

2. I count one "needless war" (singular) enacted by Bush- Iraq. The overwhelming majority of US money and blood in Iraq/Afghanistan was spent rebuilding infrastructure and government in the hopes that the new ruling body would remain stable and not threaten our interests or security. I and others have maintained that we should not have rebuilt a thing until the Taliban, et al, surrendered. But we thought the native population would appreciate our efforts to rid them of tyrants and extremists. That was a bad policy.

Just the war costs of doing business there pard. Bush announced a "budget" of sorts in allocating 50 billion to open and shut his "Doctrine" and sating the lust of the Krauthammers and Kristols of the neocon world.

3. Why is it that everyone who disagrees with your rants is "pro-war", or a "chickenhawk", etc.? Or everyone who thinks the Israeli/Jewish lobby is not behind every US foreign policy decision automatically falls under those labels? Can't your argument stand on its own two feet without throwing names around?

I never claimed that everyone who disagrees with me is a chickenhawk. Your words, never mine. But I have a particular disdain for people that have no clue as to the realities of war....yet are the first to clamor for US militarization around the globe.

And yes...I do hyperbolize. It's great. I learned how to do it from reading the editorialists of the War Street Journal circa 2002.

Footwedge;1371254 wrote:Try googling the wretched John Hagee for starters.

You have a penchant for warping and twisting words. I said, "But I personally don't know of a single pastor, church leader, or layperson who actively supports military spending as a means to spurring Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ." As in know the person on a direct, one-on-one basis.

It also doesn't negate my point. There are a handful of folks on the Christian fringe like Hagee who say ignorant things. But I will stick to my point and say - emphatically - that no Bible believing Christian thinks we can make Jesus return by increased defense spending.

Keep reaching Footwedge. We all know you're opposed to the eeeeevil Christian Zionist neo-con war machine.

wow just wow :rolleyes:

believer;1371396 wrote:You have a penchant for warping and twisting words. I said, "But I personally don't know of a single pastor, church leader, or layperson who actively supports military spending as a means to spurring Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ." As in know the person on a direct, one-on-one basis.

Well...allow me to introduce to you...Mr. John Hagee....he of multimillion dollar TV fame...who is quite proud of his preferance for nuking Iran and thus wiping them off the map. A loving, Christlike man indeed. I can think of no better hastening of Armageddon than the nuking of Iran, can you?

The nuking of Iran is not a hastening of Armageddon but rather a further delay of it. That's kind of the point.

Christians don't believe Armagddon will occur until after the return of Chriist. That isn't going to take place until all people of the earth are exposed to the message of the Gospel.

Footwedge;1371704 wrote:Well...allow me to introduce to you...Mr. John Hagee....he of multimillion dollar TV fame...who is quite proud of his preferance for nuking Iran and thus wiping them off the map. A loving, Christlike man indeed. I can think of no better hastening of Armageddon than the nuking of Iran, can you?

You're delusional if you believe one John Hagee can hasten Armageddon simply because he's hoping the Feds will nuke Iran and you're further delusional if you believe Hagee is anywhere near powerful enough to make that happen. NO amount of human meddling is going to hasten the return of Christ. He will come like a thief in the night on His terms; not ours.

Here is where organized religion fails me. Christians claim that Christ will return someday. Will he recognize those whose religions do not acknowledge him? The myth of religion, IMO, is that they can't all be right. My personal belief is that they're all wrong, nothing more than old stories passed down from generation to generation and given legitimacy by their respective organization, which need your money to keep alive.

stlouiedipalma;1372924 wrote:Here is where organized religion fails me. Christians claim that Christ will return someday. Will he recognize those whose religions do not acknowledge him? ...

He will recognize them but not as one who will receive eternal life with Him. He does provide them one more opportunity after the rapture of the Church.

Con_Alma;1372970 wrote:He will recognize them but not as one who will receive eternal life with Him. He does provide them one more opportunity after the rapture of the Church.

Will he recognize every christian denomination or only the correct one?

Con_Alma;1372970 wrote:He will recognize them but not as one who will receive eternal life with Him. He does provide them one more opportunity after the rapture of the Church.

Right. St Louie after God evaporates christian souls into heaven...there's a brief period called the tribulation wherein the heathens can repent and find the Lord.

When the Jews, Muslims, Mormons don't go along even after the rapture...they will be rejected by their loving God and be banished to the pits of hell for all eternity where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Hard to believe I once believed that stuff...

I'm beginning to think Bill Maher has it right about religion...

Footwedge;1366323 wrote:Exactly. Iraq attacked Iran and the US funneled in munitions to Saddam Hussein....how did that end up? We sided with Iraq because of the recent hostage crisis. What was the reasoning for Iran in holding 444 hostages?




Most of "the rest" don't give 2 ****s about Israel being recognized as a state. What they do not like is the militarism and land grabbing in Golan Heights and the West Bank. They don't care for the human rights violations either. Not to mention the human carnage caused by Israel in places like Qana, Lebanon...not once...but twice.

"Iran holding 444 hostages" Tell me you don't believe that.

Look it up, and quit making such claims.

Ghmothwdwhso;1374285 wrote:"Iran holding 444 hostages" Tell me you don't believe that.

Look it up, and quit making such claims.

What claims? Can you read? Where did I say that I don't believe that it happened? I asked the question as to why? Do you know? Or do you even care?

Footwedge;1374649 wrote:What claims? Can you read? Where did I say that I don't believe that it happened? I asked the question as to why? Do you know? Or do you even care?

I was giving you a chance to correct yourself. Now, I'll just say it directly "You are wrong" Look it up.

Ghmothwdwhso;1374721 wrote:I was giving you a chance to correct yourself. Now, I'll just say it directly "You are wrong" Look it up.

Look what up?

Footwedge;1374970 wrote:Look what up?

Come on, you know how to look it up "# of hostages, # of days"

Please correct your previous posts so you don't continue to make misleading claims.

Footwedge;1374970 wrote:Look what up?

52 for 444......

ptown_trojans_1;1375124 wrote:52 for 444......

Thanks P-Town, it looks like Foot doesn't like to own up to his misleading claims. Standard operation for him/herl!

Ghmothwdwhso;1375406 wrote:Thanks P-Town, it looks like Foot doesn't like to own up to his misleading claims. Standard operation for him/herl!

Your panties all bunched up because I had the the number days and hostages mixed up? Bwahahaha. Let me know when you want to add something of substance to the discussion.

I noticed not a peep out of you on answering my questions above.

Con_Alma;1371777 wrote:The nuking of Iran is not a hastening of Armageddon but rather a further delay of it. That's kind of the point.

Christians don't believe Armagddon will occur until after the return of Chriist. That isn't going to take place until all people of the earth are exposed to the message of the Gospel.

LOL. while we're at it, we need to probably nuke Syria, Afghanistan, Egypt and Mali. That way we will really delay Armageddon.

Logicfail.

Once Chuck Hagel single handedly dismantles the US empire for Obama, the Jews can be driven into the sea and the world will get back to holding hands and singing kumbaya.

majorspark;1375690 wrote:Once Chuck Hagel single handedly dismantles the US empire for Obama, the Jews can be driven into the sea and the world will get back to holding hands and singing kumbaya.

Some of your stuff is funny Spark. Not this time. I'll give you another mulligan.

majorspark;1375690 wrote:Once Chuck Hagel single handedly dismantles the US empire for Obama, the Jews can be driven into the sea and the world will get back to holding hands and singing kumbaya.

Not sure Sharia law provides for such fun and games.

majorspark;1375690 wrote:Once Chuck Hagel single handedly dismantles the US empire for Obama, the Jews can be driven into the sea and the world will get back to holding hands and singing kumbaya.

And today Lindsey Graham calls Hillbob a murderer. LOL. Oh....and his titties are all wringed up over Hagel today as well. Lindsey Graham...one of the most 2 faced, hypocritical bastards to ever roam the planet.