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Dec 18, 2012 5:56 PM
gut;1346717 wrote:That school offered virtually no resistance to getting in for someone that wanted to.

Advocating CCW for officials is just something the NRA will propose in a knee jerk reaction to the same from the left.

If you want to keep kids truly safe (including from CCW people making mistakes, among other things), you do a much better job of controlling access.

It isn't that expensive, and likely cheaper in the long-run than paying for arms and training.

Besides, your plan fails when you can't find volunteers to do this. And smaller grade schools with mostly women? You're plan is a non-starter. So then you have to pay someone, which is going to be much more expensive than some relatively simple and easy engineering fixes.
What do you do when a kid, who belongs in the school, brings in a few guns and starts killing people and nobody can go anywhere due to your engineering idea?
Dec 18, 2012 5:56pm
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Dec 18, 2012 6:06 PM
Pick6;1346721 wrote:What do you do when a kid, who belongs in the school, brings in a few guns and starts killing people and nobody can go anywhere due to your engineering idea?
What do you do when one of your CCW teachers goes crazy? We can play this game all day.

Keeping people out =/= keeping people in. It's really not hard if you guys would think logically. But instead you guys are all ginned-up to spend hundred of millions of dollars a year, every year, to win a shootout with an armed nutjob.
Dec 18, 2012 6:06pm
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gut

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Dec 18, 2012 6:09 PM
ccrunner609;1346723 wrote:You do realize that the security measures they had in regards to access was more them most schools? The guy shot out a window and walked in. THat happens in EVERY ****ing school in the US tommorow if someone wanted it to happen.
Your posts get dumber by the minute. Now you want CCW to be a requirement for teachers, as if protecting against the 1 in 1 million event should be what's important.

Second, these schools aren't designed to keep out an armed intruder, but they could easily be. I don't get what's so hard to comprehend. Glass doesn't keep out anyone willing to break the glass. That's not remotely considered secure.

And like I said before, when gang violence and guns were becoming a problem in schools the solution WAS NOT arming the teachers and administrators. Which sounds like a pretty stupid idea, no? The obvious and more effective solution was to focus on getting the guns out of the school.
Dec 18, 2012 6:09pm
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Dec 18, 2012 6:19 PM
gut;1346727 wrote:What do you do when one of your CCW teachers goes crazy? We can play this game all day.

Keeping people out =/= keeping people in. It's really not hard if you guys would think logically. But instead you guys are all ginned-up to spend hundred of millions of dollars a year, every year, to win a shootout with an armed nutjob.
Show me a link where a teacher went bat shit crazy and shot up his school? You cant. You can keep making up unlikely scenarios to support your "argument", and Ill keep using realistic scenarios as well as sources to back up my argument.

Interesting that legislators are bringing up arming school teachers, but nobody is bringing up your fortress idea..because its stupid and unrealistic.
Dec 18, 2012 6:19pm
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Dec 18, 2012 7:01 PM
ccrunner609;1346723 wrote:The mention of NRA tells me you are a left winger
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Gut, that has to be the first time in history you've been accused of being a "left winger" right?

This whole issue only reinforces the point that there's a definite separation(in both political parties) between the reasonable people who look at it on an issue to issue basis and conclude that one party more accurately reflects their opinion, and the morons who haven't had an independent thought in their life.
Dec 18, 2012 7:01pm
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Dec 18, 2012 7:19 PM
ccrunner609;1346754 wrote:but only one party making this tragedy a issue on guns. its sickening that the bodies weren't even cold yet and the dems were were screaming gun control.
If they believe gun control is something that will prevent future tragedies like this from happening, it would be morally objectionable for them not to bring it up. Waiting some arbitrary time to talk about the issue isn't going to bring these kids back, or make the parents healing any easier. In fact, multiple parents have now come out supporting stricter gun laws. You only find it "sickening" because they expressed an opinion different from yours.
Dec 18, 2012 7:19pm
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WebFire

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Dec 18, 2012 7:45 PM
ccrunner609;1346713 wrote:Boy you are dense. THere is never gonna be a gun kept in a drawer or locker at a school. Its called conceal and "carry" for a reason.
Thank you for not following along with the conversation to know why I asked the question. You just proved who is the dense one.
Dec 18, 2012 7:45pm
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Dec 18, 2012 7:47 PM
There have been 5 school shootings in Europe with 10 or more dead in the last 10 years compared to 2 here.
Dec 18, 2012 7:47pm
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Dec 18, 2012 7:49 PM
ccrunner609;1346740 wrote:Oh please elaborate......I work in a fucking brand new state of the art school and there is no way to keep someone out that wants in.
Sounds like you just found a major problem!
Dec 18, 2012 7:49pm
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Dec 18, 2012 7:50 PM
ccrunner609;1346723 wrote: You dont want to carry, dont be a teacher.
Wow. Just wow.
Dec 18, 2012 7:50pm
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Dec 18, 2012 7:51 PM
James Gatz;1345888 wrote:Your board President is the same guy who employs a teacher that can't even spell sheriff.

Lol......I teach in a district that had "Superintendant" on the front page of the school website for over a year until I finally gave in and told them to please spell it correctly. For extra credit our language arts teacher doesn't know that "a lot" is two words.

Today I learned that one of our higher ups asked a local church (10 minute walk) if we could have a spare key in case of a lockdown???? Lol We're gonna lead 445 pre K-6th students up a large hill in a wide open area....for safety from a gun? Maybe I could put a couple hundred in my civic and make a couple trips.
Dec 18, 2012 7:51pm
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Dec 18, 2012 7:55 PM
Ironman92;1346777 wrote:Lol......I teach in a district that had "Superintendant" on the front page of the school website for over a year until I finally gave in and told them to please spell it correctly. For extra credit our language arts teacher doesn't know that "a lot" is two words.

Today I learned that one of our higher ups asked a local church (10 minute walk) if we could have a spare key in case of a lockdown???? Lol We're gonna lead 445 pre K-6th students up a large hill in a wide open area....for safety from a gun? Maybe I could put a couple hundred in my civic and make a couple trips.
One of our county schools apparently thinks sending kids OUTSIDE for a lock down is a good plan. Some parents are not too happy to say the least.
Dec 18, 2012 7:55pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:24 PM
bases_loaded;1346772 wrote:There have been 5 school shootings in Europe with 10 or more dead in the last 10 years compared to 2 here.
And? You are aware that Europe is a continent and the US is a country right?
Dec 18, 2012 8:24pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:31 PM
ccrunner609;1346830 wrote:do you want your kids playinghide and seek inside, outside or inside with an administrator with a gun?

An administrator that I don't really know that could be fucked up in the head and snap at any time?
Dec 18, 2012 8:31pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:33 PM
GoChiefs;1346832 wrote:An administrator that I don't really know that could be fucked up in the head and snap at any time?
Sorry, I don't really see that as a good argument against anything.
Dec 18, 2012 8:33pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:33 PM
ccrunner609;1346830 wrote:do you want your kids playinghide and seek inside, outside or inside with an administrator with a gun?
I want the teachers and admins getting the kids to safety. Not chasing a gunman.
Dec 18, 2012 8:33pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:34 PM
WebFire;1346834 wrote:Sorry, I don't really see that as a good argument against anything.

Just sayin I don't think an adminstrator carrying in the schools is the answer to anything. That is all.

Carry on...
Dec 18, 2012 8:34pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:35 PM
GoChiefs;1346838 wrote:Just sayin I don't think an adminstrator carrying in the schools is the answer to anything. That is all.

Carry on...
That I agree with.
Dec 18, 2012 8:35pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:38 PM
My daughter is in kindergarten and today we received a notice her school is going to be making changes regarding security, which include..

- All exterior doors are locked during school hours
- No adults permitted to enter the building without a prior appointment
- Any visitors need to ring the bell and be escorted in
- All adults need to show ID and be listed on emergency medical form to sign out children
- All class doors will be locked at all times
- Adults in the building must sign in and wear visible ID
Dec 18, 2012 8:38pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:56 PM
Resource officers in every school is the only answer that will even be considered. A better answer is to weed out the crazies before hand and get them under survelance.
Dec 18, 2012 8:56pm
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Dec 18, 2012 8:57 PM
BORIStheCrusher;1346845 wrote:My daughter is in kindergarten and today we received a notice her school is going to be making changes regarding security, which include..

- All exterior doors are locked during school hours
- No adults permitted to enter the building without a prior appointment
- Any visitors need to ring the bell and be escorted in
- All adults need to show ID and be listed on emergency medical form to sign out children
- All class doors will be locked at all times
- Adults in the building must sign in and wear visible ID
The only one of those changes that MIGHT have made any difference at all in the Newtown shootings is locking the classroom doors.
Dec 18, 2012 8:57pm
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Dec 18, 2012 9:11 PM
Pick6;1346868 wrote:The only one of those changes that MIGHT have made any difference at all in the Newtown shootings is locking the classroom doors.
I don't disagree that if somebody really wants to shoot up a school they're going to do it, but some changes are better than none. Only way to guarantee their safety (from the outside) is build a fortress around every school.
Dec 18, 2012 9:11pm
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Dec 18, 2012 9:14 PM
Pick6;1346734 wrote:Show me a link where a teacher went bat shit crazy and shot up his school? You cant. You can keep making up unlikely scenarios to support your "argument", and Ill keep using realistic scenarios as well as sources to back up my argument.

Interesting that legislators are bringing up arming school teachers, but nobody is bringing up your fortress idea..because its stupid and unrealistic.
Prior to last week people thought doomsday preppers were relatively harmless odd balls in society until one of their similarly troubled children mowed down a bunch of Kindegartners. I might've said that was unrealistic last week. Who could be so demented in 2012 as to massacre a bunch of 5 year olds that has access to weapons that could do it???

Putting weapons in the hands of teachers across the country would be a disaster in comparison to the relatively straightforward solution of making schools more secure from people who have no good reason to be there. They don't have to be fortresses to be harder to get into. By and large modern school buildings are pretty solidly built aside from the use of a lot of glass. Just stop using glass and that makes quite a difference.

Genius Legislators across the country like Louie Farking Gohmert??

I mean do you realize that it is more likely that kids will end up dead because guns accidentally discharging???

Arming teachers is ludicrous. Just more John Wayne fantasies like the one's the mother of this murderer had.
Dec 18, 2012 9:14pm
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Dec 18, 2012 9:22 PM
BORIStheCrusher;1346879 wrote:I don't disagree that if somebody really wants to shoot up a school they're going to do it, but some changes are better than none. Only way to guarantee their safety (from the outside) is build a fortress around every school.
Right. At least you make them force their way in, rather than make it easy. It's the minimum that can be done right now.
Dec 18, 2012 9:22pm
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Dec 18, 2012 9:23 PM
ccrunner609;1346830 wrote:do you want your kids playinghide and seek inside, outside or inside with an administrator with a gun?
I can support the idea of an armed off-duty officer or security guard before arming admins or teachers.
Dec 18, 2012 9:23pm