Raw Dawgin' it
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Dec 7, 2012 8:21am
It happens so fast that I don't think it should be a penalty. He didn't target the head and he was the second hit.WebFire;1337855 wrote:Correction...shouldn't be a penalty. But in the NFL, anytime helmets touch, they call it. I hate the NFL.
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:22am
LOL wtf? Coleman CLEARLY hits Collie w/ his helmet to Collie's helmet. That's absolutely a flagWebFire;1337854 wrote:Their helmets touched incidentally. Not a penalty.
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:22am
Does anyone find it ironic that this rule was actually first introduced by a guy who tells his Dline to crash the other team on victory formation?
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:22am
GTFOSportsAndLady;1337860 wrote:LOL wtf? Coleman CLEARLY hits Collie w/ his helmet to Collie's helmet. That's absolutely a flag
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:23am
Schiano?WebFire;1337861 wrote:Does anyone find it ironic that this rule was actually first introduced by a guy who tells his Dline to crash the other team on victory formation?
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:24am
He didn't target the head, AT ALL. The only reason they hit helmet-to-helmet was because the other defender hit him MILLISECONDS before he did. Yeah, should have just stopped in those milliseconds. Give me a break.WebFire;1337863 wrote:GTFO
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:24am
Yeah, he was pushing for it right before he left Rutgers.SportsAndLady;1337864 wrote:Schiano?
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:24am
No seriously, how can you not say that was h2h? Coleman (who by the way, is one of my least favorite players in the NFL, despite being a Buckeye) comes in and hits Collie in the helmet, with his helmet lol literally definition helmet to helmet hit.WebFire;1337863 wrote:GTFO
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:25am
Read brother. I already explained it twice.SportsAndLady;1337867 wrote:No seriously, how can you not say that was h2h? Coleman (who by the way, is one of my least favorite players in the NFL, despite being a Buckeye) comes in and hits Collie in the helmet, with his helmet lol literally definition helmet to helmet hit.
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:26am
Oh yeah that's right I forgot about that. With the Legrand incident, can't really blame him.WebFire;1337866 wrote:Yeah, he was pushing for it right before he left Rutgers.
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:29am
Yeah I read this:WebFire;1337869 wrote:Read brother. I already explained it twice.
WebFire;1337854 wrote:Their helmets touched incidentally. Not a penalty.
WebFire;1337855 wrote:Correction...shouldn't be a penalty.
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:30am
[h=2]in·ci·den·tal[/h] adjective \ˌin(t)-sə-ˈden-t[SUP]ə[/SUP]l\SportsAndLady;1337872 wrote:Yeah I read this:
[h=2]Definition of INCIDENTAL[/h]1
a : being likely to ensue as a chance or minor consequence<social obligations incidental to the job>
b : minor 1
2
: occurring merely by chance or without intention or calculation
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Gblock
Dec 7, 2012 8:30am
if they really wanted to cut down on huge hits they should widen the field by about 5 yards
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:31am
If it is intentional, then it' a penalty every time. But that rule has been around forever, which people for some reason forget. When I played it was called spearing.
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:34am
So what?WebFire;1337874 wrote:in·ci·den·tal
adjective \ˌin(t)-sə-ˈden-t[SUP]ə[/SUP]l\
Definition of INCIDENTAL
1
a : being likely to ensue as a chance or minor consequence<social obligations incidental to the job>
b : minor 1
2
: occurring merely by chance or without intention or calculation
You're seriously saying it shouldn't be helmet to helmet because the helmet to helmet was incidental?
"There is no flag on the play for helmet to helmet..#42 really didn't mean to, and he feels super bad"
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:34am
Plus, you missed this.SportsAndLady;1337872 wrote:Yeah I read this:
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?38083-The-end-of-the-KO-in-the-NFL&p=1337865&viewfull=1#post1337865
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:35am
LOL. So every time helmets touch it should be a penalty. That would be every damn play. Do you seriously not understand the difference?SportsAndLady;1337882 wrote:So what?
You're seriously saying it shouldn't be helmet to helmet because the helmet to helmet was unintentional?
"There is no flag on the play for helmet to helmet..#42 really didn't mean to, and he feels super bad"
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:37am
Uhh not every time helmets touch, but when a WR goes up for a catch, he's in a defenseless position...if a defensive player hits him helmet to helmet, it's a flag. Literally every time. Doesn't matter if it was incidental or not. Do you watch the NFL?WebFire;1337884 wrote:LOL. So every time helmets touch it should be a penalty. That would be every damn play. Do you seriously not understand the difference?
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:49am
I am not denying anything you said there. If you are paying attention, which you clearly aren't, I am saying I don't think it should be a penalty if it's incidental. If it is intentional, it should be. This is the way it has always been.SportsAndLady;1337886 wrote:Uhh not every time helmets touch, but when a WR goes up for a catch, he's in a defenseless position...if a defensive player hits him helmet to helmet, it's a flag. Literally every time. Doesn't matter if it was incidental or not. Do you watch the NFL?
I feel they call way too many that they shouldn't. And this, IMO, is one that should not have been called. He did not intend to hit helmet-to-helmet, not could he have prevented, other than not being there at all.
Do you understand what I am explaining now?
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 8:51am
Now, back to kickoffs. If they want to eliminate the kickoff, why not just give the ball to the other team at the 20 or whatever yard line they deem appropriate. This rule would absolutely change the way the game is played/coached. That I don't like.
SportsAndLady
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Dec 7, 2012 8:54am
So freakin put "in my opinion" after you keep saying "it shouldn't be a penalty"WebFire;1337895 wrote:I am not denying anything you said there. If you are paying attention, which you clearly aren't, I am saying I don't think it should be a penalty if it's incidental. If it is intentional, it should be. This is the way it has always been.
I feel they call way too many that they shouldn't. And this, IMO, is one that should not have been called. He did not intend to hit helmet-to-helmet, not could he have prevented, other than not being there at all.
Do you understand what I am explaining now?
I'm not arguing your opinion, I'm arguing the rule..which obviously is where the difference lies here.
How are refs supposed to just decide in a few seconds whether a hit was incidental or not? That's almost impossible to do.
TBone14
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Dec 7, 2012 8:55am
SportsAndLady;1337886 wrote:Uhh not every time helmets touch, but when a WR goes up for a catch, he's in a defenseless position...if a defensive player hits him helmet to helmet, it's a flag. Literally every time. Doesn't matter if it was incidental or not. Do you watch the NFL?
You two are on different pages. S&L is thinking that Webfire doesn't understand the rule. I believe he does, he is stating his opinion that he doesn't agree with the rule.WebFire;1337895 wrote:I am not denying anything you said there. If you are paying attention, which you clearly aren't, I am saying I don't think it should be a penalty if it's incidental. If it is intentional, it should be. This is the way it has always been.
I feel they call way too many that they shouldn't. And this, IMO, is one that should not have been called. He did not intend to hit helmet-to-helmet, not could he have prevented, other than not being there at all.
Do you understand what I am explaining now?
TBone14
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Dec 7, 2012 8:56am
Looks like you cleared it up while I was doing that post.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Dec 7, 2012 8:58am
this was before that rule.SportsAndLady;1337886 wrote:Uhh not every time helmets touch, but when a WR goes up for a catch, he's in a defenseless position...if a defensive player hits him helmet to helmet, it's a flag. Literally every time. Doesn't matter if it was incidental or not. Do you watch the NFL?
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WebFire
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Dec 7, 2012 9:52am
Thought it was quite obvious it was my opinion. But next time I will spell that out for you. :rolleyes:SportsAndLady;1337903 wrote:So freakin put "in my opinion" after you keep saying "it shouldn't be a penalty"