password
Posts: 2,360
Nov 30, 2012 11:54pm
I think this is a different scenario, the store owner left the scene and at that time he was no longer in harms way and then returned to the store to shoot the robber. The homeowner never left his home, so he thought he was still in danger.WebFire;1333887 wrote:Good example of one here. Teens come in to rob, with guns. Store owner shoots, hitting one of the robbers and the robber falls to the floor. The other robber flees, and the owner chases (big no no). Comes back into the store, walks over/around the kid he shot, laying on the floor, then comes back and "finishes him". Clearly not longer a threat.Verdict? Guilty of murder.
password
Posts: 2,360
Dec 1, 2012 12:09am
I don't think he committed a crime, he was protecting his residence and was scared for his life because of the two people who broke in to his home. If these people would have burglarized a home and killed an elderly homeowner most people on here would be making statements about how they would have killed them both if it was their home. He clearly was insane at the time of the police being called, he said he didn't want to bother them on Thanksgiving holiday. He walks on this one unless he has a past criminal record.WebFire;1333897 wrote:So you are saying he did the crime, but will walk by pleading insanity?
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 1, 2012 2:56am
Quit crying about these "kids" being "murdered." The guy may have taken it too far, but they deserve little if any sympathy. Because the reality of the situation is this: Had this guy had a better shot, almost nobody here would be crying over their dead bodies because they would have deserved the punishment they got for entering a stranger's home and trying to steal their shit.
Tough luck. I don't pity them in the least. If there is one got damn thing I cannot stand, it is a fucking thief.
Tough luck. I don't pity them in the least. If there is one got damn thing I cannot stand, it is a fucking thief.
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hang_loose
Posts: 802
Dec 1, 2012 5:34am
I've read this whole thread twice and some of Clint Eastwoods best quotes keep coming to mind. I won't post them but there is a youtube thread on them.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 1, 2012 8:14am
I was going to post something like this. The old guy took it to far in the end and he sounds pretty messed up but its hard for me to have any sympathy for these young adults.reclegend22;1333912 wrote:Quit crying about these "kids" being "murdered." The guy may have taken it too far, but they deserve little if any sympathy. Because the reality of the situation is this: Had this guy had a better shot, almost nobody here would be crying over their dead bodies because they would have deserved the punishment they got for entering a stranger's home and trying to steal their shit.
Tough luck. I don't pity them in the least. If there is one got damn thing I cannot stand, it is a fucking thief.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:14am
You don't have to have sympathy for it to be murder. There are lots of people that live a shitty life and I care nothing for them. I wouldn't care if they were dead. Doesn't give anyone the right to murder them.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:15am
Like I said, you clearly do not know anything about self-defense laws.password;1333900 wrote:I don't think he committed a crime, he was protecting his residence and was scared for his life because of the two people who broke in to his home. If these people would have burglarized a home and killed an elderly homeowner most people on here would be making statements about how they would have killed them both if it was their home. He clearly was insane at the time of the police being called, he said he didn't want to bother them on Thanksgiving holiday. He walks on this one unless he has a past criminal record.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:16am
Also, believing this is murder is not sympathy towards the kids. They were scum.
Don't confuse the two.
Don't confuse the two.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:26am
Also, I find it quite funny that in the thread about politicians making it hard to carry, I was ridiculed and made fun of for having a gun for protection. Yet, in this thread, so many are just fine with 2 people getting shot and then executed for breaking into a guy's house.
Bi-polar threads.
Bi-polar threads.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Dec 1, 2012 9:31am
then you have an old man.
in a small community, so these thugs knew or knew of their victim.
his house had been looted repeatedly
a repeated threat to both his property and his own well being
the local police had failed to do their job in protecting him
when law enforcement breaks down and you can not feel safe in your own home then kill'em.
in a small community, so these thugs knew or knew of their victim.
his house had been looted repeatedly
a repeated threat to both his property and his own well being
the local police had failed to do their job in protecting him
when law enforcement breaks down and you can not feel safe in your own home then kill'em.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Dec 1, 2012 9:32am
key words "into a guy's house."WebFire;1333960 wrote:Also, I find it quite funny that in the thread about politicians making it hard to carry, I was ridiculed and made fun of for having a gun for protection. Yet, in this thread, so many are just fine with 2 people getting shot and then executed for breaking into a guy's house.
Bi-polar threads.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:37am
And he had every right to shoot until the threat to his life was gone. But then he kept going. Not surprised you don't understand.isadore;1333963 wrote:key words "into a guy's house."
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:39am
The ridicule was for feeling like you had to protect yourself at all. One person even said you should move if you feel like you have to have self-protection.isadore;1333963 wrote:key words "into a guy's house."
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:39am
Anyone else find it amusing that supreme leftist isadore supports this? LOL
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Dec 1, 2012 9:42am
the law had failed him.WebFire;1333964 wrote:And he had every right to shoot until the threat to his life was gone. But then he kept going. Not surprised you don't understand.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 1, 2012 9:47am
I said the guy took it too far. I think you may be the one confused by my post.WebFire;1333959 wrote:Also, believing this is murder is not sympathy towards the kids. They were scum.
Don't confuse the two.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:49am
How so? You don't have enough info to come up with that conclusion. He was broken into before, that is all you know. You don't know the cases or what the police did. Do you expect the police to put armed officers around the perimeter of his property?isadore;1333969 wrote:the law had failed him.
No one is disputing his right to take his first actions.
"I think the first shot is justified," Olson said. "After the person is no longer a threat because they're seriously wounded, the application of self-defense is over."
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:51am
Go back and read what you replied to, that you said you were going to post something like it. Sympathy for a victim has nothing to do with being murder or not.Rotinaj;1333972 wrote:I said the guy took it too far. I think you may be the one confused by my post.
I have no sympathy for the victims, but it was still murder.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 9:55am
Also, rotinaj, my comment was directed at everyone talking about sympathy, not just you directly.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Dec 1, 2012 10:03am
He is an old man and the law failed him..WebFire;1333974 wrote:How so? You don't have enough info to come up with that conclusion. He was broken into before, that is all you know. You don't know the cases or what the police did. Do you expect the police to put armed officers around the perimeter of his property?
No one is disputing his right to take his first actions.
” He showed police the window he says Brady and his cousin, Kifer, used to enter his house, which he said had been broken into several times before. “
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Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, said about $10,000 worth of guns, electronic gear and cash were stolen in October.”
‘Wetzel, the sheriff, declined to discuss what was taken in the October theft and said they have no suspects.”
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They tortured him and targeted him, and it's not good," Lange said. "If you've been broken into one time, that would be enough. But it's terrible."
password
Posts: 2,360
Dec 1, 2012 10:07am
Like I said, he walks. There are other circumstances to this case that will lessen the punishment.WebFire;1333958 wrote:Like I said, you clearly do not know anything about self-defense laws.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 1, 2012 10:16am
#1 rule of self defense, you notify police the immediate second you are out of dangerpassword;1333983 wrote:Like I said, he walks. There are other circumstances to this case that will lessen the punishment.
#1.1 rule of self defense, you never ever touch or move the body
#1.2 rule of self defense, you never "finish them off"
He will be convicted of 2 counts of manslaughter at the minimum.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Dec 1, 2012 10:22am
Smith had no prior convictions, according to a database managed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. His brother, Bruce Smith, however, told the Star Tribune that the Little Falls man was on edge because of seven prior break-ins at his home in previous years
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/28/thanksgiving-day-horror-minnesota-teens-killed-in-alleged-break-in.html
the law failed him.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/28/thanksgiving-day-horror-minnesota-teens-killed-in-alleged-break-in.html
the law failed him.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 1, 2012 10:54am
Like I said...isadore;1333981 wrote:He is an old man and the law failed him..
” He showed police the window he says Brady and his cousin, Kifer, used to enter his house, which he said had been broken into several times before. “
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Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, said about $10,000 worth of guns, electronic gear and cash were stolen in October.”
‘Wetzel, the sheriff, declined to discuss what was taken in the October theft and said they have no suspects.”
“
They tortured him and targeted him, and it's not good," Lange said. "If you've been broken into one time, that would be enough. But it's terrible."
How so? You don't have enough info to come up with that conclusion. He was broken into before, that is all you know. You don't know the cases or what the police did. Do you expect the police to put armed officers around the perimeter of his property?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Dec 1, 2012 11:42am
7 breakins
they keep coming back
they harassed and tortured him
october $10,000 stolen
"no suspects"
gosh a failure of the law
they keep coming back
they harassed and tortured him
october $10,000 stolen
"no suspects"
gosh a failure of the law