Havin Fun;1498679 wrote:We shall see won't we?? This is what makes chat rooms fun.

Totally agree.

Havin Fun;1498679 wrote:Anyone know why Norwaynes best players did not come back in the game? Are they soft or were they truly unable to play anymore? Have not seen that addressed.
I think Hillsdale could be the team in the WCAL this year that can control teams on both sides of the ball. Don't know if anyone else has the ability to do that.

From talks with other people (and on other sites), it sounds like they were actually injured. Sounds like 3 Norwayne players could not return, as well as CVCA's top back getting injured in the first half and not returning (and starting O-lineman broken leg in week 1). Hopefully are all healthy and able to get back to playing this week. .. obviously the broken leg kid won't be back for a while, though.

oldsmithie;1498491 wrote:I wanted add that I also think that lack of discipline goes right back to coaching!

I disagree, though not entirely. I think PERPETUAL lack of discipline does indeed go toward coaching. However, he's not been here long enough for that to be the case, I don't think.

Smithville has never been 0-10; this is true. But they were 1-9 at least once, and they were 2-16-2 over a two year stretch, that 1-9 mark being within that span.

That two-year stretch was Coach Schrock's first two seasons. I've recalled him telling the story of the 1-7-2 and 1-9 teams more than once, and a lot of it was the attitudes of the upperclassmen at the time. Within those two years, he wasn't going to change the attitude of them. They were already set in their line of thinking. He was working on instilling the program into the underclassmen.

Couple that with the fact that we are YOUNG this year (what, 5 seniors?), and it's pretty easy to see that the deck has not been shuffled in our favor anyway.

As for Besancon, he was coached under the tutelage of Schrock. He's coached with him, during Smithville's most successful years, I may add. He knows the program, and while I do think he did his best at the other schools, I'm pretty sure his heart has always been in the Emerald Village. He knows (ie, has taken part in, respects, etc.) the tradition, and he knows what a good program Smithville is capable of being.

As such, all I've seen him do has been to his credit. As such, I am persuaded, overwhelmingly, to trust him at this time.

It does help that I have an ear into the coaches' efforts with the team as well, my brother being one of his assistants, who also played under Schrock, was a die-hard supporter of Schrock from the coaching decisions he made to the shenanigans in 2011-2012, and was a part of the "Decade of Dominance" that Smithville enjoyed. If he, given that, trusts Brent, then I do, as his word is pretty much tantamount to the ultimate assurance to me.

rrfan;1498499 wrote:Public schools all go in cycles. Look at Orrville. I don't see an 0-10 in Smithville future but the season will be a challenge.

Eh, cycles aren't set in stone, I don't think. We seem to assume that it's just how things go, but that has been defied by public schools before.

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Eh, cycles aren't set in stone, I don't think. We seem to assume that it's just how things go, but that has been defied by public schools before.

You don't think talent goes in cycles in a public school? Really? Some schools are able to shorten the cycle but they all have ups and downs.

Cycles are unavoidable at small schools. I don't care who you are. Everyone has down years due to one or two weak classes. Weak doesn't always mean lack of talent. It could be lack of leadership as we have seen at Waynedale. From what I have heard this is the first senior class in three years that has some leadership in it. The sophomore class is loaded with kids who not only have talent but are leaders as well.

Havin Fun;1498900 wrote:Cycles are unavoidable at small schools. I don't care who you are. Everyone has down years due to one or two weak classes. Weak doesn't always mean lack of talent. It could be lack of leadership as we have seen at Waynedale. From what I have heard this is the first senior class in three years that has some leadership in it. The sophomore class is loaded with kids who not only have talent but are leaders as well.

From what I am hearing on the Norwayne front that is alot of the problem with this team..No Leadership. As far as the injuries Beery was knocked out so he wasnt coming back. Harris had leg cramps. not sure how severe but I guess severe enough to keep him out of a close game where he was needed. I guess 2 linemen are still out, but I thought one was released 3 weeks ago(Scruggs?) not sure why he isnt playing. I made the trip up to CVCA and I seen a team with no leadership and a team that sometimes looked confused. The OLine and DLine didnt look good at all and you could tell that alot of players played positions that they are not used to. They just didnt look like a Norwayne team of the past 5 years, they looked like a team from 10 years ago. Hopefully the right the ship, alot of ball games left but the face a good Ontario team this week from what I hear.

On a side note, I had breakfast at the local coffee shop in Creston and heard that a past Norwayne grad was in a serious accident last week and was life flighted and still in Intensive Care. Does anybody know who this was and how he is? Hate to see that with anybody but really hate it for somebody so young..

bobcat14;1499124 wrote:From what I am hearing on the Norwayne front that is alot of the problem with this team..No Leadership. As far as the injuries Beery was knocked out so he wasnt coming back. Harris had leg cramps. not sure how severe but I guess severe enough to keep him out of a close game where he was needed. I guess 2 linemen are still out, but I thought one was released 3 weeks ago(Scruggs?) not sure why he isnt playing. I made the trip up to CVCA and I seen a team with no leadership and a team that sometimes looked confused. The OLine and DLine didnt look good at all and you could tell that alot of players played positions that they are not used to. They just didnt look like a Norwayne team of the past 5 years, they looked like a team from 10 years ago. Hopefully the right the ship, alot of ball games left but the face a good Ontario team this week from what I hear.

On a side note, I had breakfast at the local coffee shop in Creston and heard that a past Norwayne grad was in a serious accident last week and was life flighted and still in Intensive Care. Does anybody know who this was and how he is? Hate to see that with anybody but really hate it for somebody so young..

You mean Harris and Beery aren't leaders? D1 recruits not leading their team?

No suprise IMO!

bobcat14;1499124 wrote:From what I am hearing on the Norwayne front that is alot of the problem with this team..No Leadership. As far as the injuries Beery was knocked out so he wasnt coming back. Harris had leg cramps. not sure how severe but I guess severe enough to keep him out of a close game where he was needed. I guess 2 linemen are still out, but I thought one was released 3 weeks ago(Scruggs?) not sure why he isnt playing. I made the trip up to CVCA and I seen a team with no leadership and a team that sometimes looked confused. The OLine and DLine didnt look good at all and you could tell that alot of players played positions that they are not used to. They just didnt look like a Norwayne team of the past 5 years, they looked like a team from 10 years ago. Hopefully the right the ship, alot of ball games left but the face a good Ontario team this week from what I hear.

On a side note, I had breakfast at the local coffee shop in Creston and heard that a past Norwayne grad was in a serious accident last week and was life flighted and still in Intensive Care. Does anybody know who this was and how he is? Hate to see that with anybody but really hate it for somebody so young..

whos lifeflighted

Old Rider;1499130 wrote:You mean Harris and Beery aren't leaders? D1 recruits not leading their team?

No suprise IMO!

not always the case. Each kid is different Are you saying Monheim wasnt a leader?

1_beast;1499264 wrote:not always the case. Each kid is different Are you saying Monheim wasnt a leader?

Monheim was a leader! We have had others that were not and remind me of Harris and Berry. They have made their college decision...just hope they know their still playing for the Bobcats and not their college yet! Saw both of their twitter pages the other day...MR. Cinco??? Really? LOL....seems to be all about ME ME ME!

So the natural order of the Wayne County League is finally being restored. That makes me feel better. Norwayne has had a spectacular run, but this craziness of Norwayne, Northwestern and Hillsdale fielding high quality football teams..this nonsense has to stop. I'm a big three guy - Waynedale, Dalton and Smithville.. and even Smithville are sort of newcomers to winning. That was a dogcrap program for a long time before Shrock came along.

Monheim was (is) an outstanding leader. Turner and Peirman...not so much. In fact, from what I hear, Harris and Beery remind me a lot of those last 2 guys. I'm sure a lot of what you hear is strictly rumor but it sounds like there is a ton of unrest in the Bobcat camp right now. You can not put a price on leadership and it sounds like the Cats have very little. The days of counting on hard working humble players like Adam Wallace, John Maibach, John Zimmerly and Brady Berger are over. I still think the Cats will walk through most of the schedule but will someone step up in the big games that count?

One loss, and everyone is up in arms over in Creston. It was a loss to a good team. Besides, I heard from a CVCA fan that on 4th and 13 on Norwayne's last drive in the 4th quarter they threw a bomb to a receiver that was 5+ yards behind CVCA's last defender, but the ball fell through the kid's hands. The team had a chance to win. It was a good game, not like they got blown out. Both teams had injuries, but maybe Norwayne was hit a little harder. The Bobcats are still a good team and will bounce back. Just the fact that they lost, though, will give the rest of their opponents a little more hope.

WCALfootballfan;1499316 wrote:Monheim was (is) an outstanding leader. Turner and Peirman...not so much. In fact, from what I hear, Harris and Beery remind me a lot of those last 2 guys. I'm sure a lot of what you hear is strictly rumor but it sounds like there is a ton of unrest in the Bobcat camp right now. You can not put a price on leadership and it sounds like the Cats have very little. The days of counting on hard working humble players like Adam Wallace, John Maibach, John Zimmerly and Brady Berger are over. I still think the Cats will walk through most of the schedule but will someone step up in the big games that count?

That is very interesting comparison. I don't know the Norwayne kids well enough to say yes or no but you hit Orrville dead on..that is exactly how it was!

rrfan;1499322 wrote:That is very interesting comparison. I don't know the Norwayne kids well enough to say yes or no but you hit Orrville dead on..that is exactly how it was!

Monheim's leadership ability is even being magnified now as he's being called the face of the Illini. That sort of recognition doesn't happen without leadership skills from a defensive football player.

thePITman;1499321 wrote:One loss, and everyone is up in arms over in Creston. It was a loss to a good team. Besides, I heard from a CVCA fan that on 4th and 13 on Norwayne's last drive in the 4th quarter they threw a bomb to a receiver that was 5+ yards behind CVCA's last defender, but the ball fell through the kid's hands. The team had a chance to win. It was a good game, not like they got blown out. Both teams had injuries, but maybe Norwayne was hit a little harder. The Bobcats are still a good team and will bounce back. Just the fact that they lost, though, will give the rest of their opponents a little more hope.

I am gonna say that they take loss #2 this Friday against Ontario...then they will be up in arms in Creston.

Some very interesting match-ups for the WCAL this week! Hoping for good weather and no injuries.

Yes indeed. The bulldogs have timken - dalton was not real good and beat them 30-0 last year with timken ending up with one win. This year, the Trojans have started 2-0. I have never seen a program roll up and down from year to year like timken. Must be the somewhat transient population. Will be very interested to see the loudonville hillsdale outcome as well

Dalton and Timken must have been a pretty exciting game. Waiting for details down here in North Carolina.

Only 1 WCAL team won tonight. Norwayne. Not many points out there starting league play.

Beverboy1 get em fired up and "MOVE THE CHAINS"

Bad night for the WCAL.

I was SURPRISED at how badly Hillsdale got thumped. Figured Rittman and Smithville would have rough nights. Figured Waynedale would be close. Had no idea about Dalton's and Chippewa's matchups. Was surprised how close the Norwayne game was. Northwestern game had to be a heartbreaker.

Bears young secondary was overmatched by Triways athletes. Bears played hard, they have heart, just a little green yet. Always seems like we are getting outcoached on game night.

iced earth;1500063 wrote:Bears young secondary was overmatched by Triways athletes. Bears played hard, they have heart, just a little green yet. Always seems like we are getting outcoached on game night.

Waynedale started the game pretty well, moving the ball well for a few drives and holding Triway's offense in check. It seemed like the whole first quarter was played in field position favorable to Waynedale. However, Triway just wore on the Golden Bears, scored first, Waynedale responded, and then Triway kept the pressure on for the rest of the game. Triway is actually very young, as well - we have 1 big and 2-3 other senior contributors, but other than that we are all juniors and some sophomores.

iced earth;1500063 wrote:Bears young secondary was overmatched by Triways athletes. Bears played hard, they have heart, just a little green yet. Always seems like we are getting outcoached on game night.

offense changed? ball control?

come at me wcalfan...lol..i know you been waiting.