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Oct 31, 2012 8:13 AM
said_aouita;1308542 wrote:Too.

XC does not have weight classes, like wrestling where two competitors can dodge each other.
In no way, shape or form does that make a sport harder. It just makes it harder to place.
Oct 31, 2012 8:13am
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Oct 31, 2012 9:09 AM
WebFire;1308571 wrote:In no way, shape or form does that make a sport harder.
It does make it more difficult, which is what I've been saying all along.

I consider "difficult" and "hard" differently.
Oct 31, 2012 9:09am
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Oct 31, 2012 10:36 PM
ccrunner609;1309595 wrote:The kid that wins the state CC meet can play on his HS football team but the best HS football player at his school cannot win the state CC meet.

So the state champ CC runner will stand on the sidelines if he is on a football team, while the best HS football player won't win a state title in distance running...

Wtf are you trying to prove?
Oct 31, 2012 10:36pm
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Oct 31, 2012 10:40 PM
WebFire;1308571 wrote:In no way, shape or form does that make a sport harder. It just makes it harder to place.

This.

Said should know better too since he thinks he knows everything in wrestling (despite being sub par at best).

There are numerous states that have one division in wrestling. That doesn't mean their state is better in wrestling than Ohio.

Fail logic on Said.
Oct 31, 2012 10:40pm
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Oct 31, 2012 10:56 PM
ccrunner609;1309595 wrote:The kid that wins the state CC meet can play on his HS football team but the best HS football player at his school cannot win the state CC meet.
No. All the CC kids I've seen run CC for a reason.
Oct 31, 2012 10:56pm
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Oct 31, 2012 11:08 PM
I think its fake.
Oct 31, 2012 11:08pm
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Nov 1, 2012 6:10 AM
like_that;1309608 wrote:This.

Said should know better too since he thinks he knows everything in wrestling (despite being sub par at best).

There are numerous states that have one division in wrestling. That doesn't mean their state is better in wrestling than Ohio.

Fail logic on Said.

I never said I knew everything in wrestling but apparently have a hell of a lot more experience than you.
Where in my posts did I ever mention anything about divisions making a sport easier? Pay attention dumb ass. :laugh:I said weight classes allow a wrestler to dodge, which obviously you can't disagree with.

I guess when like_that can't provide factual evidence he falls back to insults.
"sub par" is funny yet so inaccurate.

WebFire;1308571 wrote:In no way, shape or form does that make a sport harder. It just makes it harder to place.
So you agree it's harder to place at state in cross country than wrestling?
Nov 1, 2012 6:10am
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Nov 1, 2012 8:37 AM
said_aouita;1309692 wrote: So you agree it's harder to place at state in cross country than wrestling?
I wouldn't know without looking into all the facts and numbers. But even if it is, that doesn't make the sport better, tougher, harder or more difficult.

Case in point: if football dropped the divisions and only 20 teams made the playoffs, did the sport of high school football just get harder? No. Making the playoffs did.
Nov 1, 2012 8:37am
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Nov 1, 2012 8:54 AM
said_aouita;1309692 wrote:I never said I knew everything in wrestling but apparently have a hell of a lot more experience than you.
Where in my posts did I ever mention anything about divisions making a sport easier? Pay attention dumb ass. :laugh:I said weight classes allow a wrestler to dodge, which obviously you can't disagree with.

I guess when like_that can't provide factual evidence he falls back to insults.
"sub par" is funny yet so inaccurate.




So you agree it's harder to place at state in cross country than wrestling?

I was giving you an analogy on your logic dumb fuck. I was making a point that just because the system makes it tougher to place doesn't mean the quality is better. Not really surprised it went over your head.

Pay attention dumbass and consider reading comprehension.
Nov 1, 2012 8:54am
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Nov 1, 2012 9:59 AM
like_that;1309753 wrote:I was giving you an analogy on your logic dumb fuck. I was making a point that just because the system makes it tougher to place doesn't mean the quality is better. Not really surprised it went over your head.

Pay attention dumbass and consider reading comprehension.
I don't think it went over my head as much as you are not making any sense.

Your analogy on some states not having divisions relates to what? Where were we talking about comparing the quality of other states with Ohio? Sounds like you are trying to change the subject, bringing in comparing quality of other states into the conversation.

Go to post #58. My point is wrestlers can dodge each other. Less chances to place at state in XC than wrestling. More competitors and less awards given means it's harder to be considered "good" as in a state placer.
We are not comparing different states here, I'm looking at just the numbers in Ohio. One weight class in wrestling has 16 competitors? The state XC meet has over 140 competitors in each race.
Nov 1, 2012 9:59am
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Nov 1, 2012 10:15 AM
CC runners must be better than NFL football players then, since the NFL teams can dodge others in the playoffs. :rolleyes:
Nov 1, 2012 10:15am
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Nov 1, 2012 11:22 AM
My point is just because the system/structure makes it hard to place doesn't make that sport tougher.

I.e my wrestling example. Just because a particular state only had one division (less room to dodge with one division) doesn't mean that stay is tougher.

Just because you can't dodge anyone in running doesn't make it tougher than any other sport.. Make sense? If not, then there really is nothing else I can say to somebody that dense.
Nov 1, 2012 11:22am
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Nov 1, 2012 11:23 AM
Please type slower. He isn't going to be able to comprehend this.
Nov 1, 2012 11:23am
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Nov 1, 2012 3:30 PM
CC runners are tough, man. Getting hit by a 300lb DE is nothing like absorbing all that jostling that takes place fighting for the inside lane.

Anyway, in terms of purely physically demanding (as opposed to punishment), it's tough to rank anything above wrestlers because of cutting weight.
Nov 1, 2012 3:30pm
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Nov 1, 2012 8:02 PM
ccrunner609;1310175 wrote:I love how football people think that just because you get hit by someone bigger then you that it makes it tough. Jesus, players are padded to the hill. I see 3rd graders playing football.....cant be that physically and mentally demanding if little kids can do it.

My 2 year old likes to run around. That doesn't make cc mentally or physically demanding.
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Nov 1, 2012 8:09 PM
ccrunner609;1310190 wrote:STFU.....your 2 year old isnt training for a race.

Of course she is. She runs around all day it's the same thing
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ccrunner609;1310175 wrote:I love how football people think that just because you get hit by someone bigger then you that it makes it tough. Jesus, players are padded to the hill. I see 3rd graders playing football.....cant be that physically and mentally demanding if little kids can do it.
This post clearly demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about. Not sure why you keep grasping onto the young kids argument.

There are plenty of 3rd graders who can write, so clearly what journalists/authors do can not be impressive at all.
Nov 1, 2012 8:10pm
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Nov 1, 2012 8:36 PM
This has perhaps turned into one of the dumbest threads ever at OC.
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Nov 1, 2012 8:38 PM
ccrunner609;1310175 wrote:I love how football people think that just because you get hit by someone bigger then you that it makes it tough. Jesus, players are padded to the hill. I see 3rd graders playing football.....cant be that physically and mentally demanding if little kids can do it.
Fact...I see 4th graders running cross country, and practicing for it. Can't be that physically and mentally demanding if little kids can do it.
Nov 1, 2012 8:38pm
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Nov 1, 2012 8:40 PM
like_that;1309871 wrote:My point is just because the system/structure makes it hard to place doesn't make that sport tougher.

I.e my wrestling example. Just because a particular state only had one division (less room to dodge with one division) doesn't mean that stay is tougher.

Just because you can't dodge anyone in running doesn't make it tougher than any other sport.. Make sense?
Yes, it does. Thank you for explaining.
Going back to my original post, nearly impossible to compare wrestling and XC as for which sport can be considered the "hardest" because they are exact opposites. Even the injuries are entirely different.

My viewpoint considers what it takes to be successful in wrestling. You can't rely on "flipping a switch" like many state champions/placers in wrestling have done.

I also believe "difficult" and "hard" can be considered differently.
Nov 1, 2012 8:40pm
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Nov 1, 2012 11:01 PM
ccrunner609;1310190 wrote:STFU.....your 2 year old isnt training for a race.
The physical demands of other sports are physically debilitating. What's the worst that happens to a CC runner - shin splints?

It strikes me as comical that someone would claim running is more physically demanding than other sports that - surprise - use and require running just for conditioning. The main problem as I see it is that you associate distance/time with physically demanding. Endurance is only one such aspect. Could a fit soccer star go out there and run a competitive/respectable 5-10k? Could a coordinated cross-country runner go on a soccer field and not embarass themselves?

So there you have it. Now let's get back to the real debate of soccer vs. other sports.
Nov 1, 2012 11:01pm
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Nov 1, 2012 11:16 PM
I've never saw somebody get paralzyzed or even die from running cross country.
Nov 1, 2012 11:16pm
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Nov 2, 2012 4:24 AM
Pick6;1310357 wrote:I've never saw somebody get paralzyzed or even die from running cross country.
It happens just maybe not as often as stupid football players tackling with their head down and breaking their neck.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/runner-who-collapsed-at-missoula-cross-country-meet-dies/article_2a1e38ea-029b-11e1-b6e5-001cc4c002e0.html

I've seen punches thrown during XC races and runners are allowed to wear weapons on their feet. Runners can do some damage with spikes.
As for people getting paralyzed at a sporting event, I've witnessed that twice in track.
Was also in a race where another runner split his knee cap in two after not making it over a barricade in the steeple chase.
Nov 2, 2012 4:24am
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Nov 2, 2012 4:34 AM
gut;1310352 wrote:The physical demands of other sports are physically debilitating. What's the worst that happens to a CC runner - shin splints?
Shin splints lead to stress fractures. Imbalances in ones running form can lead to other problems down the road, as in spinal and muscular. It's why distance runners must visit chiropractors.
I'm not saying this makes it "harder" but even something as trivial as going bowling can throw off a runner. Bob Schul (Olympic Gold medalist) commented how he noticed a runner was carrying his right arm lower than normal. Just so happens the runner went bowling the night before.
In a sport where efficiency is most important, the slightest and strangest things can throw you off. Compare it like old school NASCAR to today's Formula 1 racing. You could tough it out and grit yer teeth to a victory in NASCAR, while in F1 everything needs to be precise. F1 is so specific they even adjust car heights to the millimeter.

Distance running is not like football or wrestling, where an athlete can "flip a switch", "be on fire" "tough it out" or simply get lucky.
Nov 2, 2012 4:34am
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Nov 2, 2012 6:03 AM
said_aouita;1310381 wrote:I've seen punches thrown during XC races
Sorry, but this brought the lulz.
Nov 2, 2012 6:03am