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Oct 30, 2012 3:58 PM
WebFire;1308135 wrote:No sport at a high level has an off season. You think college and pro athletes just sit on the couch and eat Cheetos in the off season?
Well, 5-6 year old girls do so that validates their argument.
Oct 30, 2012 3:58pm
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Oct 30, 2012 5:22 PM
like_that;1308106 wrote:Yes, but you guys clearly understand what football players, soccer players, basketball players, wrestlers, hockey players, gymnasts, etc go through though. /sarcasm
You like to comment about how I "love Graham wrestling" all the time. Granted I never was coached by JJ but did observe everyone on the team closely for multiple years, in and out of season.
The amount of volume and intensity done during season compared to the off-season (for wrestling) is far greater than that of a distance runner.
Wrestlers work very hard, no doubt. They also need some time off to let their body recover. The other months of off-season they are allowed more off days without their body losing anything.

I can agree swimming is comparable to distance running. Soccer could be comparable, depending how much is done in the off-season.

You shouldn't try comparing wrestling, football, gymnastics, basketball and other fast twitch games (high muscle explosion then rest) to distance running, swimming or other slow twitch (slow muscle explosions over a longer time) athletic events.
Oct 30, 2012 5:22pm
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Oct 30, 2012 5:28 PM
WebFire;1308135 wrote:No sport at a high level has an off season. You think college and pro athletes just sit on the couch and eat Cheetos in the off season?
like_that;1308106 wrote:Yes, but you guys clearly understand what football players, soccer players, basketball players, wrestlers, hockey players, gymnasts, etc go through though. /sarcasm
Difficult to try comparing wrestling, football, gymnastics, basketball and other fast twitch games (high muscle explosion then rest) to distance running, swimming or other slow twitch (slow muscle explosions over a longer time) athletic events.

If a naturally gifted high caliber starter (HS or college) wrestler, basketball, baseball or football player just sat on their ass during the off-season they would not lose all of their ability in only a matter of weeks, unlike how a distance runner would.

Running does not take a technical skill which can allow even an out of shape athlete to be effective.
Oct 30, 2012 5:28pm
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Oct 30, 2012 5:56 PM
said_aouita;1308193 wrote:Difficult to try comparing wrestling, football, gymnastics, basketball and other fast twitch games (high muscle explosion then rest) to distance running, swimming or other slow twitch (slow muscle explosions over a longer time) athletic events.

If a naturally gifted high caliber starter (HS or college) wrestler, basketball, baseball or football player just sat on their ass during the off-season they would not lose all of their ability in only a matter of weeks, unlike how a distance runner would.

Running does not take a technical skill which can allow even an out of shape athlete to be effective.
First, cc was the one comparing sports to start with. Also, if any of the athletes mentioned sat on their ass for an extended time, they would lose some skill in their sport, but could technically still play it. Runners are no different. If they sit for an extended time, they can still run, just not as far or fast.

Quit trying to make runners into some superior athlete.
Oct 30, 2012 5:56pm
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Oct 30, 2012 6:09 PM
Even not doing sh*t you could still be a state placer in wrestling, as long as you make weight.

Right Felipe?



Oooops....
Oct 30, 2012 6:09pm
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Oct 30, 2012 7:22 PM
ccrunner609;1308251 wrote:said you got it. people will never understandthe grind that is running at a high level. i have done multiple sports at a varsity level and none are as tough mentally. we can reduce sports like soccer all the way down so 5 year olds can do it. you can't do that with cc
That's funny, because our school district has elementary cross country and the 5k's all have kid runs.

You're full of shit.
Oct 30, 2012 7:22pm
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Oct 30, 2012 7:32 PM
This thread makes me LOL.
Oct 30, 2012 7:32pm
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Oct 30, 2012 7:35 PM
ccrunner609;1308264 wrote:so those kids are training daily, doing interval workouts and actually racing the full 5k?
Are 5 year old soccer players training daily, doing interval workouts and actually playing full Olympic timed matches on Olympic sized fields? :rolleyes:

That fact you can only make your argument by comparing your high level training to 5 year olds says enough.
Oct 30, 2012 7:35pm
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Oct 30, 2012 7:55 PM
said_aouita;1308223 wrote:Even not doing sh*t you could still be a state placer in wrestling, as long as you make weight.

Right Felipe?



Oooops....
You just proved yourself wrong with that statement. A once considered blue chip wrestler regressed his final 2 years after sitting on his ass. No way in hell any college wrestler can sit on his ass and perform at a high level, sorry.
Oct 30, 2012 7:55pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:03 PM
like_that;1308286 wrote:You just proved yourself wrong with that statement. A once considered blue chip wrestler regressed his final 2 years after sitting on his ass. No way in hell any college wrestler can sit on his ass and perform at a high level, sorry.
FM would have placed at state his Senior year and maybe even won it, if he would have competed......

As for college wrestling, FM's only chance to compete would have been at a juco school.
Nothing wrong with it, no education is a bad education. I wish he would have ended up competing in the NJCAA.

On XC teams where the top five are only seconds apart, you can go from state placer to reserve easily.
Plus, XC doesn't have weight classes to help those not quite as gifted both mentally and physically.
Oct 30, 2012 8:03pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:09 PM
said_aouita;1308289 wrote:Felipe would have placed at state his Senior year. Maybe even won it. As for college wrestling, FM's only chance to compete would have been a juco school. Which is where I expected him to end up, since he never got the grades either.

On XC teams where the top five are only seconds apart, you can go from state placer to reserve easily.
Plus, XC doesn't have weight classes to help those not quite as gifted both mentally and physically.
Felipe lost in the QTRs of the brecksville tourney didn't he? It was some holiday tourney, in which he previously would have been the heavy favorite to win. Placing at the state tourney was no guarantee for him. He looked like shit most of the season. He went from dominating the D2 state tournament to us now discussing whether he would have PLACED in the D3 tournament. That is what you call a regression. Sorry to break it to ya, sitting on your ass gets you no where in wrestling and most sports. On the flip side, I have seen plenty of wrestlers who were also cc runners remain state quality runner despite missing a whole season of training since they were busy wrestling.

The "if you didn't do it, you just don't understand" is the biggest cop out argument I have seen. I could easily pull that card on you and CC. Please stop trying to pretend you know about the other sports.
Oct 30, 2012 8:09pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:12 PM
Also for football, do you actually think a RB wouldn't regress if he sat on his ass. Just like a cc runner his time (40 yard dash in this case) would decrease without training. Huge difference between hitting the hole with a 4.5 speed as opposed to a 4.6 speed.
Oct 30, 2012 8:12pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:15 PM
like_that;1308298 wrote:Also for football, do you actually think a RB wouldn't regress if he sat on his ass. Just like a cc runner his time (40 yard dash in this case) would decrease without training. Huge difference between hitting the hole with a 4.5 speed as opposed to a 4.6 speed.

that's not what I'm saying. I know he would regress, but he'd still be the starter. At the worse the coach can run a 2-back set, or he can play another position.
Oct 30, 2012 8:15pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:17 PM
like_that;1308293 wrote:On the flip side, I have seen plenty of wrestlers who were also cc runners remain state quality runner despite missing a whole season of training since they were busy wrestling.
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Yea, I bet. :laugh::rolleyes:
Oct 30, 2012 8:17pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:18 PM
like_that;1308293 wrote:On the flip side, I have seen plenty of wrestlers who were also cc runners remain state quality runner despite missing a whole season of training since they were busy wrestling.

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Yea, I bet. :laugh::rolleyes:

funniest thing posted here yet.
Oct 30, 2012 8:18pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:34 PM
said_aouita;1308308 wrote:Yea, I bet. :laugh::rolleyes:

funniest thing posted here yet.
Roeth was a state XC runner, and a 2x state qualifier in wrestling. He wasn't running during wrestling season.
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Oct 30, 2012 8:34 PM
said_aouita;1308300 wrote:that's not what I'm saying. I know he would regress, but he'd still be the starter. At the worse the coach can run a 2-back set, or he can play another position.
Tate Forcier would disagree with this argument.
Oct 30, 2012 8:34pm
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Oct 30, 2012 8:35 PM
said_aouita;1308300 wrote:that's not what I'm saying. I know he would regress, but he'd still be the starter. At the worse the coach can run a 2-back set, or he can play another position.
Maybe at the HS level, but in college and NFL, if you are losing a 10th of a second off your 40 time you might be looking for a new job.
Oct 30, 2012 8:35pm
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Oct 30, 2012 9:37 PM
The difference with other athletes is their "offseason" consists of about 2 hours a day of weights, other training and even - gasp - running.

Let's call it for what it is - cross-country is for people too uncoordinated for other sports, and too slow for track.
Oct 30, 2012 9:37pm
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Oct 30, 2012 9:44 PM
gut;1308415 wrote:The difference with other athletes is their "offseason" consists of about 2 hours a day of weights, other training and even - gasp - running.

Let's call it for what it is - cross-country is for people too uncoordinated for other sports, and too slow for track.
They sure drink the kool aid on why their sport is better though lol.
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Oct 30, 2012 10:04 PM
Hard core.
Oct 30, 2012 10:04pm
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Oct 30, 2012 10:13 PM
Cross country is for pussy's that were to afraid to play football. Cross country isn't even a sport it's an activity. Woo let's run for fun. Ghey
Oct 30, 2012 10:13pm
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Oct 30, 2012 10:32 PM
ccrunner609;1308467 wrote:and football is for the followers that half are made to play so their loser dads can live vicariously through their kids. Whats funny is that every kid that I have coached that came from a football team said that CC was way tougher then any football practice.
Than*

Any cross country wrestler that I wrestled with or coached said wrestling is by far the tougher sport.
Oct 30, 2012 10:32pm
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Oct 31, 2012 1:02 AM
ccrunner609;1308444 wrote:your post wreaks of not knowing. My teams have 2-2.5 hour practices that consist of weights, hills and up to 11 miles a day.
It's an endurance sport. Don't pretend it's tougher or more demanding than other sports. Some people are better suited for endurance, just as non-endurance athletes are typically better suited for real sports.

It's not that many athletes aren't willing to puke and punish themselves for their sport. It's just that so few find race-jogging worth the sacrifice.
Oct 31, 2012 1:02am
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Oct 31, 2012 4:56 AM
Crimson streak;1308449 wrote:Cross country is for pussy's that were to afraid to play football.
Too.

Pussies.

You must be one of those retarded football players? At least you can blame head concussions for your stupidity.

like_that;1308474 wrote:
Any cross country wrestler that I wrestled with or coached said wrestling is by far the tougher sport.

Wrestling may be a considered a tougher sport just because "going easy" is still tough. As for becoming one of the best (a state placer) XC is far more difficult.
XC has never had a 4x state champ. XC does not have weight classes, like wrestling where two competitors can dodge each other.
Oct 31, 2012 4:56am